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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Pseudo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:27 pm

Aerie wrote:That's a good deal.

Taking in to account that Port Magpies are going to be the Power Reserves regardless, that is what Port Adelaide want.

Port still keep their juniors and their league side is compromised so as not to be too strong with all AFL players and the best of the rest.

Common sense seems to have been made.

If this is true, well done all.


It is emphatically NOT a good deal; it involves an AFL reserves team in SANFL league ranks. It involves the final absorption of what was once a sovereign SANFL club. And no AFL team has any business maintaining a junior structure in a state league.

The league is phuckt. Thanks Crows, thanks Port (Power), thanks SANFL, and special thanks for the 6 SANFL clubs who voluntarily let this happen.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Pseudo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:29 pm

RB wrote:My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.


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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby daysofourlives » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:32 pm

Once Port are gone we will be the only club that has beaten every other team on grand final day but 3, South, Crows and Power. Not too many clubs even come close to that record

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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby zipzap » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:02 pm

Pseudo wrote:
The SANFL might be the ones wielding the dildo, but Port Power is willingly dropping trousers, bending forward and parting cheeks.



Is that Shakespeare? :lol:
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Mic » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:23 pm

Pseudo wrote:
Aerie wrote:That's a good deal.

Taking in to account that Port Magpies are going to be the Power Reserves regardless, that is what Port Adelaide want.

Port still keep their juniors and their league side is compromised so as not to be too strong with all AFL players and the best of the rest.

Common sense seems to have been made.

If this is true, well done all.


It is emphatically NOT a good deal; it involves an AFL reserves team in SANFL league ranks. It involves the final absorption of what was once a sovereign SANFL club. And no AFL team has any business maintaining a junior structure in a state league.

The league is phuckt. Thanks Crows, thanks Port (Power), thanks SANFL, and special thanks for the 6 SANFL clubs who voluntarily let this happen.


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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby csbowes » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:43 pm

daysofourlives wrote:Once Port are gone we will be the only club that has beaten every other team on grand final day but 3, South, Crows and Power. Not too many clubs even come close to that record

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Not bad for a club that's only been around for 50 years

I can't believe you wrote that crap....

Talk about try hard.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby saintal » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:45 pm

Pseudo wrote:
RB wrote:My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.


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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby beenreal » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:19 pm

RB wrote:My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.


Yep, I can see it now. Look at me RB, I'm making people Happy! I'm the magical man, from Happy Land, who lives in a gumdrop house on Lolly Pop Lane!!!!......

By the way I was being sarcastic..."
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby CUTTERMAN » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:32 pm

Pseudo wrote:
beenreal wrote:And never forget, it is the $ANFL forcing this restructure on the Port Adelaide Football Club. NOT the other way around!

Utter balderdash.

The SANFL might be the ones wielding the dildo, but Port Power is willingly dropping trousers, bending forward and parting cheeks.

Your mob could have chosen the status quo; it did not. Responsibility rests with Port.

And let's not forget that the PAFC could choose to field a Power reserves team in the SANFL reserves and keep Magpies as a true SANFL team. Any model that has magpies league team used as a power reserves team effectively kills off the Maggies.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby DOC » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:35 pm

How?
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby topsywaldron » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:25 am

beenreal wrote:By the way I was being sarcastic..."


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Feel pretty sorry for supporters of the real Port tonight, tough times. The SANFL took one hammer blow last week, followed swiftly by this. Yet another sad day.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby the wonder elephant » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:38 am

Pseudo wrote:
Aerie wrote:That's a good deal.

Taking in to account that Port Magpies are going to be the Power Reserves regardless, that is what Port Adelaide want.

Port still keep their juniors and their league side is compromised so as not to be too strong with all AFL players and the best of the rest.

Common sense seems to have been made.

If this is true, well done all.


It is emphatically NOT a good deal; it involves an AFL reserves team in SANFL league ranks. It involves the final absorption of what was once a sovereign SANFL club. And no AFL team has any business maintaining a junior structure in a state league.

The league is phuckt. Thanks Crows, thanks Port (Power), thanks SANFL, and special thanks for the 6 SANFL clubs who voluntarily let this happen.

Payback for 1990 :oops:
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby SimonH » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:25 am

daysofourlives wrote:I took it as being a salry cap of 20k for the season with a maximum of 400 per game for any one player.
Arn't the Crows top ups only getting 100 per game.
This would make the deals pretty similar on that front
The Adelaide Crows' deal is that top-up players taken from other SANFL clubs get a big $100 per game, but top-ups taken from outside the SANFL system get $400 per game. No mention of whether the SANFL top-ups can or will continue to get paid by their SANFL club. No mention of whether the Crows are allowed to pay any top-up from anywhere a sign-on fee/ guaranteed weekly stipend (nor if they are allowed, what the net limit is, if there is one).

No explanation in the Crows deal of why, if there aren't sign-on fees/ stipends etc, any 'fringe league' player who didn't have rocks in their heads would agree to be listed with the Crows 2s. Imagine: you've battled your way into the top half-dozen reserves players in your SANFL club and have even made your league debut. You're hoping that 2014 is going to be your year to really push up into the league side. If you can manage to get picked more often than you miss, then realistically you have to expect that your total payments are going to be in the realm of $7–$10,000 a year (i.e. somewhere around half of the mean per-league-player salary cap, reflecting your junior status in the team). Unless the player has insane stars in their eyes and just thinks, 'I'm going to hang out with Tex Walker and become the next Rory Sloane', who would give that up for, 'Well, there's a fair chance that you'll be able to play some league games for us— we can't guarantee you anything, and sometimes you may have to be pulled out or called up last minute, depending on AFL injuries— but we see a real hope that you'll be able to crack 10 games for us this year. And if you do, you'll collect a big thousand dollars!'?

No mention of any salary cap at all in the Crows' deal— so as far as the current documentation goes, they can pay their "leadership player" $200k a season.

If the Power 2nds salary cap really is $20k + $400/player/game, then based on the maths in the previous post, everyone of interest on the Port Adelaide Magpies 2013 roster is gone.

Some may see a giant conspiracy in all of these gaps and failings; but given how this whole thing has unfolded, I just see a giant cock-up where they're making up random and inconsistent rules as they go.

Don't get me wrong, Port Adelaide are doing the wrong thing by going down this path. And if they throw away everything that makes them Port Adelaide—i.e. a club that's grown out of, and is intimately connected with, the suburb of Port Adelaide and immediately surrounding suburbs—and just turn into Brand Power, they'll dearly regret it in the long (or even medium) term. But the SANFL can't treat unlikes alike and call it fairness. Port Adelaide Magpies have a fully functioning league team with a full league team roster of players— let alone their zone, reserves and U/18 sides. All of it is controlled by the AFL-dominated entity, the PAFC. Adelaide Crows have none of those things. To effectively require Port Adelaide to throw all of that stuff away virtually overnight, and permanently, just to accumulate another 12 to 15 AFL-listed players as playing for Port Magpies at SANFL level, is insanity. And of course, even greater insanity if Port agree.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby RB » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:50 am

saintal wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
RB wrote:My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.


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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby RB » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:53 am

beenreal wrote:Yep, I can see it now. Look at me RB, I'm making people Happy! I'm the magical man, from Happy Land, who lives in a gumdrop house on Lolly Pop Lane!!!!......

By the way I was being sarcastic..."

Bravo. :lol:
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Aerie » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:02 am

RB wrote:
saintal wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
RB wrote:My solution is simply that there should be no AFL reserves in the SANFL. If Port having a reserves team (i.e. elsewhere) means the end of the Magpies, then so be it. I think it would be a shame if there were no more Port in the SANFL, but no club is bigger than the league.


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Hey! I see what you did there. :lol:

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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Wedgie » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:48 am

Jeremy Clayton absolutely ripping into Kochie on Twitter!
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby whufc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:49 am

Wedgie wrote:Jeremy Clayton absolutely ripping into Kochie on Twitter!


Always knew i liked Clayton for a reason.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby whufc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:49 am

Wedgie wrote:Jeremy Clayton absolutely ripping into Kochie on Twitter!


Always knew i liked Clayton for a reason.
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Re: Port Adelaide Reserves

Postby Booney » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:03 pm

whufc wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Jeremy Clayton absolutely ripping into Kochie on Twitter!


Always knew i liked Clayton for a reason.


Thats the same Jeremy Clayton who went bush for cash?
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