SANFL Stuffing up our league

[HOORAY PUNT]

The 'stories" were that the Sturt/Norwood bid was by far the best yet it was a done deal due to Ports success at that point in time. 35000 is what they said they would achieve as percrowds and fail with this as we have all seen consistently. Oh well thats history now but I look back and think it may not have been the best option.

[oldfella]

HP - what you said is basically what I heard at the time with exception that done deal as the AFL commission wanted Port as a reward for breaking the deadlock. I agree its history and the now is that both clubs needs to get increased membership and bums on the seat at home games if they are to remain viable.

Prior to AFL then crowds of 6-10 thousand at SANFL games was normal (cue Spelly?) however they were the only game in town - the future for the SANFL is two successful AFL teams in partnership with a high profile local competition.

Next big hiccup for SANFL clubs IMO is when the licenses come up for renewal and were the AWFUL Commission to give licenses to two clubs not SANFL?

[LPH]

how many of them speak English?

99.99%. Is racism a factor do you think?

I don't think so. I cant see the link between the language you speak and racism. My point is that there is a huge population of non-English speaking people in Melbourne and they go to the round ball game don't they?

I thought you were referring to the amount of Afrikans Speaking South Africans in Perth !!!!???!!!

[LPH]

Without wanting to sound like a boer, that is.

[PhilH]

Currently a SANFL club normally has three major sources of income.

1) Internal to Football - Membership, Fundraising, Home Match Tickets, Gate, Canteen etc

2) External to Football - SANFL Dividend ... from SANFL profits which are mainly dervied from AAMI Stadium revenue ie car parking, bar & canteen, corporate boxes, functions etc

3) External to Football - Social Club income ie restaurant and pokies


Factor 1 is probably growing accross most clubs with general membership and crowd increases. Offset by increasing football department costs.

Factor 2 - The level of SANFL Dividend guaranteed for 3 years back in 2009 could be reduced in the future if the league still has to give extra "grants" to Port and if the AAMI to Adelaide Oval move starts to bite. Or if the move leads to sell outs and Power profit maybe the league will have more to distribute. Uncertain.

Factor 3 - Those that do this well have had a major financial advantage over those who have not. Dark clouds ahead re this revenue stream as the Gillard / Andrew Wilke accord from the Federal Election re Pokie Reform takes hold.

So basically two of the cash cows that have sustained SANFL footy for the past decade face probable reductions in upcoming years. Hope clubs are planning for this now.

[HOORAY PUNT]

Not sure about cash cows ?

The clubs who rely on pokies have been short sightedin my opinion. For a vey long timme pokies have been anti social and only now is the govt. , courtesy of Mr X , trying to reform pokies.The writing has been onn the wall with this for a long time.

[Country Cousin]

Currently a SANFL club normally has three major sources of income.

1) Internal to Football - Membership, Fundraising, Home Match Tickets, Gate, Canteen etc

2) External to Football - SANFL Dividend ... from SANFL profits which are mainly dervied from AAMI Stadium revenue ie car parking, bar & canteen, corporate boxes, functions etc

3) External to Football - Social Club income ie restaurant and pokies


Factor 1 is probably growing accross most clubs with general membership and crowd increases. Offset by increasing football department costs.

Factor 2 - The level of SANFL Dividend guaranteed for 3 years back in 2009 could be reduced in the future if the league still has to give extra "grants" to Port and if the AAMI to Adelaide Oval move starts to bite. Or if the move leads to sell outs and Power profit maybe the league will have more to distribute. Uncertain.

Factor 3 - Those that do this well have had a major financial advantage over those who have not. Dark clouds ahead re this revenue stream as the Gillard / Andrew Wilke accord from the Federal Election re Pokie Reform takes hold.

So basically two of the cash cows that have sustained SANFL footy for the past decade face probable reductions in upcoming years. Hope clubs are planning for this now.

Phil, I've no doubt that you regularly view the annual reports of the Office of The Liquor and Gaming Commisioner and consequently are aware that the major threat to the viability of clubs relying on gaming machines, is the dominance of the hotel industry in this area. Hotels generate 90% of total gaming revenues and more importantly, 92.5% of taxes. This gives them enormous clout, both in the market place and politically, should any further restrictions be imposed. I can only talk about my own club, Sturt, and we are certainly well aware of the potentially fragile nature of the revenue stream from gaming machines. As a result we attach great importance to those areas you refer to in Factor 1.

[JK]

Not sure about cash cows ?

The clubs who rely on pokies have been short sightedin my opinion. For a vey long timme pokies have been anti social and only now is the govt. , courtesy of Mr X , trying to reform pokies.The writing has been onn the wall with this for a long time.

I wouldn't call it short-sighted, and taking the emotion out of it they have certainly been a necessary evil IMHO .. Even if further legislation changes reduce the levels of gaming generated revenue into the future, the money that all clubs have received via this stream for the duration has been critical to their survival.

[HOORAY PUNT]

Yes no doubt the money has been and still is critical.My point was that maybe the clubs should look to explore other ways to make money rather than pokies.Neccessary evil for sure.

[JK]

Yes no doubt the money has been and still is critical.My point was that maybe the clubs should look to explore other ways to make money rather than pokies.Neccessary evil for sure.

Im pretty sure they do mate, but I don't think there's anything out there (or that's been found) that cannot generate income at the same rate.

[Royal City]

YEp nothing but a huge profit Hondo for me Hondo.

BTW off the top of your head how much would it cost me for 15000 cartons of beer , 100 cartons of red wine & soft drink, pies, pasties, chips, nibblys , electricity generators to cook the food for the masses, staff to service the 23000 punters , floodlights so everyone can see where they are going, alcohol licence to serve that many people etc..............

If you honestly think everything is going to work out fine with 23000 crowds whilst the breakeven point at AAMI has been marked at 28000 to make profit. Go for it.

BTW Hondo. The argument is not would the SANFL make less revenue without Port Adelaide.

The argument is that the statement there is no way the SANFL could survive without Ports revenue. And as I have stated for 3 years that is 100% false.

28,000 (or whatever the precise figure is) is the cut off point for Port to make a profit after paying their fees to the SANFL. NOT for the SANFL to make a profit.

Now waiting for Royal City to go back and edit his post so the mistake is removed.

No mistake on my behalf BR. Maybe you should actually try and add something to the debate instead of just sitting back and constantly sniping thru out.

Nobody is saying Ports terrible 23000 crowds doesnt generate the sanfl some revenue. It simply means Port will continue to run up huge losses which means this terrible downward spiral effect your having on our Comp/clubs will continue.

There is only one mistake that needs to be removed And its the Port Adelaide Football Club and its custard/unacceptbale 23000 crowds.

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

[Booney]

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

No point discussing anything else with you, you already have the answers....

....but yes, the Adelaide Oval project is losing momentum. Mr.Foley ( a major driving force ) is on his way out of parliament and so may the monies originally earmarked for this project.

[beenreal]

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

No point discussing anything else with you, you already have the answers....

....but yes, the Adelaide Oval project is losing momentum. Mr.Foley ( a major driving force ) is on his way out of parliament and so may the monies originally earmarked for this project.

And some of them are even correct... after careful editing of course.

As a SACA Member, I'm confident the project is progressing as planned.

[CENTURION]

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

No point discussing anything else with you, you already have the answers....

....but yes, the Adelaide Oval project is losing momentum. Mr.Foley ( a major driving force ) is on his way out of parliament and so may the monies originally earmarked for this project.

And some of them are even correct... after careful editing of course.

As a SACA Member, I'm confident the project is progressing as planned.

the kiss of death?

[HOORAY PUNT]

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

No point discussing anything else with you, you already have the answers....

....but yes, the Adelaide Oval project is losing momentum. Mr.Foley ( a major driving force ) is on his way out of parliament and so may the monies originally earmarked for this project.

I reckon the Queensland floods have rightly taken the prime news spots for a couple of weeks, I just hope the "ranga" or McLaughlin/Whicker consortium imposes a levy to offset the cost of the damn thing.

Clever ?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

On another topic Im hearing Adelaide Oval re-development has been put back on the backburner. Anybody else hear this ????

No point discussing anything else with you, you already have the answers....

....but yes, the Adelaide Oval project is losing momentum. Mr.Foley ( a major driving force ) is on his way out of parliament and so may the monies originally earmarked for this project.

And some of them are even correct... after careful editing of course.

As a SACA Member, I'm confident the project is progressing as planned.

Looking a bit bleak now.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/no-f ... e-oval/sto

[beenreal]

Federal funding was towards the carpark, not the oval upgrade. The original planning for the Docklands didn't include a carpark either, but was added later. It's now the biggest money spinner for the precinct, hence there should be no issue with seeking private funding.

[Royal City]

Federal funding was towards the carpark, not the oval upgrade. The original planning for the Docklands didn't include a carpark either, but was added later. It's now the biggest money spinner for the precinct, hence there should be no issue with seeking private funding.

keep crossing the fingers been real.

Looks as if Hondo's forecast of ARMAGEDDON is upon us.

[beenreal]

There's some real Henny Pennys on this site... "The sky is falling.... The sky is falling..."

[Royal City]

so it looks like we are back into the denial stage with Port fans.

YOu guys started the denial stage with myself about 3-4 years ago to yours clubs financial failings.

Then it turned into blaming the sanfl for Ports finacial situation 12-18 months ago.

And now we are back to the denial stage "everything's fine now".

For someone who was assuring people about Adelaide Ovals re-developement future BR. I did detect a bit of desperation in your comments.