Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

[Wedgie]

I don't think it has as it almost comes across as blackmail with the ultimatum given, yet another nail in the proposals coffin by a Port person. They're either extremely stupid or don't really want the proposal up. Maybe the Power just want to be seen as helping the Magpies to get fans onside whilst behind the scenes deliberately bungle the whole situation so they don't have to take them on board?

[Booney]

Lots of criticism of the proposal but I wonder how many on here would be capable of submitting something that would be accepted by the other clubs under the current circumstances?

Not many I would think. If any.

[PhilH]

OK Try this

Power & Magpies merge admin teams to save money.

Magpies to retain SANFL dividend (which is to be 100% allocated to Magpies) and zone

Two seperate football departments to be run with no mutual use of facilities.

Magpies to stay Magpies in uniform, colours logo etc

In SANFL mini-draft Magpies only allowed to draft Crow players, not Power

As part of agreement Power agree not to draft anyone from Magpies.


This will mean .... minimal symbolism of Magpies being Power reserves.

Over time absolute minimum of Power players playing for Magpies.

No advantage to Magpies in recruiting players due to being seen as linked to Power as Power cant draft them.


(PS - These are personal thoughts, not those of any media outlet or other sporting orgainisation I may be associated with)

[Wedgie]

I like the first 4 points Phil and Id support something like that ( silly me thought this might be what the original proposal might be). I would suspect however that if the Prince of Wales wasn't involved the Power wouldn't be interested.

[Hondo]

This is interesting from that article:

"The Magpies, who would continue to play in the prison-bar guernsey, would have no extra access to players in the SANFL mini-draft. They, in fact, are likely to be disadvantaged by having Crows-listed players, such as Graham Johncock, Andrew McLeod, Scott Thompson, Ivan Maric and Scott Stevens stripped from them and farmed out to other SANFL teams to avoid any conflict of interest. The merging of the two Port clubs is for a three-year trial period. Any changes the two clubs want to make after the three years would have to be approved by the SANFL clubs."

[Slots It Through]

I am not sure you need to put the clause in there that the Power cant draft from the Magpies.
If you look over the last 6-7 years i dont think the Power have drafted anyone from there. They have taken plenty from the Eagles, but none from PAMFC.

[PhilH]

Here is my logic.

SANFL clubs will not vote for a proposal that "THEY THINK" gives the Magpies an advantage.

There doesn't need to be an actual advantage just the perception of one.

When it comes to recruiting players there would be a perceived advantage that going to the Magpies who are officially linked to the Power gives that player a better chance of being drafted by the Power than going to another SANFL club that is not linked to the Power.

Now we can post away all week if this is right or wrong BUT reality is SANFL clubs will vote on what is best for their club. And it is those clubs who carry the fate of this proposal in their hands.

I believe to get this through Ports need to sell what the benefits are to the SANFL clubs

If those benefits are minimal they then need to ensure the clubs are satisfied the Magpies are not getting an advantage.

(Again personal thoughts not those of any media outlet or sporting organisation I may be associated with).

[nickname]

Why should one SANFL club get the advantage of having their administration costs slashed?

[Barto]

Why should one SANFL club get the advantage of having their administration costs slashed?

The downfall for them could be that the Magpies will never be a profitable organisation, they'd only get an allowance to run their operation and their development zone.

FWIW: thinking about it like that, I think Wedgie is correct, why would the Power bother with it all? They can delete the Magpies from the footy landscape and let other SANFL clubs do all the ground work.

[Barto]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/mee ... 5826538644

GFC 119 of Rosewater Posted at 10:37 AM Today
So the only reason the Smears want to merge with the Magpies is to get their hands on the Prince of Wales Hotel?

[JK]

FWIW: thinking about it like that, I think Wedgie is correct, why would the Power bother with it all? They can delete the Magpies from the footy landscape and let other SANFL clubs do all the ground work.

Perhaps that is the Powers line of thinking ... Maybe they foresee a day where they can wrap the Magpies up and have just the 1 Port Adelaide for all Port Adelaide people, giving them additional members and supporters along the way (aswell as a hotel) who don't have to budget for supporting 2 teams?

BTW Phil, I agree with the sensible thoughts you have posted.

[Barto]

FWIW: thinking about it like that, I think Wedgie is correct, why would the Power bother with it all? They can delete the Magpies from the footy landscape and let other SANFL clubs do all the ground work.

Perhaps that is the Powers line of thinking ... Maybe they foresee a day where they can wrap the Magpies up and have just the 1 Port Adelaide for all Port Adelaide people, giving them additional members and supporters along the way (aswell as a hotel) who don't have to budget for supporting 2 teams?

BTW Phil, I agree with the sensible thoughts you have posted.

I dont think they'll wind them up if the merger goes through, they'll be one club again and the supporters would go beserk if they did that down the track, but if it doesn't get up they can wash their hands of it and say the rest of the comp killed them.

[PhilH]

Why are the Power interested?

I can only see two possible scenarios from this

MERGER GOES AHEAD
- Can be shown to be doing something procative to sort out finances and split of supporter base.
- Will have access to all Port supporters under one admin setup.
- Less issue with who are the real Port Adelaide FC, there will be only one PAFC, it will just manage sides in the AFL and SANFL.
- Access to 2nd licenced club on a main road

MERGER DOES NOT GO AHEAD (and Magpies eventually fold).
- Can show all Port fans that they tried to solve issue and save Magpies. "Dont blame us we wanted to come to the Magpies rescue, its the SANFL clubs that killed the Magpies not us."
- Will be only option for all Port supporters to get behind that has a link to old Port in SANFL.
- No issue with who the real Port Adelaide FC, they are the only ones left.
- No sharing income of Port Club

(Again personal thoughts not those of any media or sporting organisation I am linked with).

[Barto]

Why are the Power interested?

I can only see two possible scenarios from this

MERGER GOES AHEAD
- Can be shown to be doing something procative to sort out finances and split of supporter base.
- Will have access to all Port supporters under one admin setup.
- Less issue with who are the real Port Adelaide FC, there will be only one PAFC, it will just manage sides in the AFL and SANFL.
- Access to 2nd licenced club on a main road

MERGER DOES NOT GO AHEAD (and Magpies eventually fold).
- Can show all Port fans that they tried to solve issue and save Magpies. "Dont blame us we wanted to come to the Magpies rescue, its the SANFL clubs that killed the Magpies not us."
- Will be only option for all Port supporters to get behind that has a link to old Port in SANFL.
- No issue with who the real Port Adelaide FC, they are the only ones left.
- No sharing income of Port Club

(Again personal thoughts not those of any media or sporting organisation I am linked with).

That pretty much nails it IMO.

[JK]

FWIW: thinking about it like that, I think Wedgie is correct, why would the Power bother with it all? They can delete the Magpies from the footy landscape and let other SANFL clubs do all the ground work.

Perhaps that is the Powers line of thinking ... Maybe they foresee a day where they can wrap the Magpies up and have just the 1 Port Adelaide for all Port Adelaide people, giving them additional members and supporters along the way (aswell as a hotel) who don't have to budget for supporting 2 teams?

BTW Phil, I agree with the sensible thoughts you have posted.

I dont think they'll wind them up if the merger goes through, they'll be one club again and the supporters would go beserk if they did that down the track, but if it doesn't get up they can wash their hands of it and say the rest of the comp killed them.

Neither do I, but if it happened one day would you be that shocked?

[Barto]

FWIW: thinking about it like that, I think Wedgie is correct, why would the Power bother with it all? They can delete the Magpies from the footy landscape and let other SANFL clubs do all the ground work.

Perhaps that is the Powers line of thinking ... Maybe they foresee a day where they can wrap the Magpies up and have just the 1 Port Adelaide for all Port Adelaide people, giving them additional members and supporters along the way (aswell as a hotel) who don't have to budget for supporting 2 teams?

BTW Phil, I agree with the sensible thoughts you have posted.

I dont think they'll wind them up if the merger goes through, they'll be one club again and the supporters would go beserk if they did that down the track, but if it doesn't get up they can wash their hands of it and say the rest of the comp killed them.

Neither do I, but if it happened one day would you be that shocked?

Not in the slightest. In fact I'd like change my stance and am fully expecting it based on further information just to hand.

[messenger.news]

Hi all.
An update on this issue in this week's Portside Messenger.
Feel free to leave your comments at the bottom of the article.

http://portside-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/magpies-merger-powers-ahead/

Messenger team

[JK]

In light of the current Magpies plight and the possibility that similar financial hardship will most likely be faced by other clubs in the future, should the SANFL be devising their own (AFL-equivalent) version of a hardship fund?

Perhaps they could retain a certain percentage of the returned dividend each year to fund this, or (heaven forbid) contribute some funding themselves?

I understand clubs like North and Central would possibly be opposed to such an idea due to how hard they have worked to set up their own effective revenue streams, but it could well protect the competition numbers and format for a long time to come?

[Country Cousin]

It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power?

The Prince of Wales Hotel.

Figures quoted in the Messenger report of the Magpies AGM, that this venue is bringing in $250,000 a year and costing $240,000 in repayments pretty much puts paid to that I think. The Power certainly don't need to take on any more debts, they've got enough of their own already.

[nickname]

Those numbers don't mean the Power don't want it.