ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[UK Fan]

Don't see your point in blaming the Power for moving the Magpies from Alberton when everyone knows it was an SANFL stipulation.

With the announcement in 1995 of course Port and Jack had time to prepare, which is why John Cahill stepped down mid 1996, giving Stephen Williams the opportunity to win the GF against Cennnntraaals.

I'll concede errors were made. Trying to distance from the Port Adelaide of old and be a "Crows Lite" was a BIG mistake. But 20-20 hindsight is a beautiful thing. That has nothing to do with the Magpies losing income streams, sponsors, facilities, etc. which everyone seems to think happened overnight. It's been happening for 13 years and a lesser club probably wouldn't have survived this long.

BeenReal you and I know the SANFL in no way said you must kick Port Magpies out of Alberton. That must be the Power's AFL base from now on. The stipulation was they could not have the same base.

It was your club(Buccy Cunningham i believe) in its infinite wisdom that decided Port power's base was better at Alberton than At AAMI (where you play your home games). And Port Magpies needed to be booted out of their 100 plus year home and would be fine at Ethelton. WHilst the Power tries to take all the Magpies history/premierships with them into the AFL. A pretty dumb idea granted. But that was not the SANFL decision and to try and blame them is puss weak and makes you Power fans no better than any inknowledgable crows fan.

You choose this model. Not us.

One more thing Been Real. If your hero and former president of numerous seasons Matthew Richardson can sell out your club without giving a monkeys about anyone else but himself. WHy shouldnt the SANFL clubs do the same Been Real???

[UK Fan]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

But how will our SANFL clubs survive without their $39,000 worth of dividends a year that is the heartbeat of every SANFL club. !!!!!!!!!!

[Booney]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

[Rik E Boy]

sounds like "EVERYTHING MUST GO" down at Alberton.

Great. We'll start with Pommy Dogs fans.

regards,

REB

[beenreal]

Don't see your point in blaming the Power for moving the Magpies from Alberton when everyone knows it was an SANFL stipulation.

With the announcement in 1995 of course Port and Jack had time to prepare, which is why John Cahill stepped down mid 1996, giving Stephen Williams the opportunity to win the GF against Cennnntraaals.

I'll concede errors were made. Trying to distance from the Port Adelaide of old and be a "Crows Lite" was a BIG mistake. But 20-20 hindsight is a beautiful thing. That has nothing to do with the Magpies losing income streams, sponsors, facilities, etc. which everyone seems to think happened overnight. It's been happening for 13 years and a lesser club probably wouldn't have survived this long.

BeenReal you and I know the SANFL in no way said you must kick Port Magpies out of Alberton. That must be the Power's AFL base from now on. The stipulation was they could not have the same base.

It was your club(Buccy Cunningham i believe) in its infinite wisdom that decided Port power's base was better at Alberton than At AAMI (where you play your home games). And Port Magpies needed to be booted out of their 100 plus year home and would be fine at Ethelton. WHilst the Power tries to take all the Magpies history/premierships with them into the AFL. A pretty dumb idea granted. But that was not the SANFL decision and to try and blame them is puss weak and makes you Power fans no better than any inknowledgable crows fan.

You choose this model. Not us.

One more thing Been Real. If your hero and former president of numerous seasons Matthew Richardson can sell out your club without giving a monkeys about anyone else but himself. WHy shouldnt the SANFL clubs do the same Been Real???

You (and others) need to check your facts and not just spout off baseless (inknowledgable?!) hyperbole. The PAFC was always going to remain at Alberton. If you want to believe the propaganda that the Power kicked out the Magpies then go right ahead. Hell even some misguided Magpie supporters believe it. It was in fact the Power that lead the charge to eventually get them back from Ethelton.

And Mathew Richardson joined the Power as head of special projects. And what do you know, one of those projects just happens to be overseeing the merger.

[LPH]

Why does there need to be a merger anyway?

We all know that PAP are the PAFC and that only through 'fear of the SANFL dieing' were the PAMFC kept going.

Surely sanity must prevail here;

1. PAFC continues as the Power in the AFL
2. PAMFC dies & the desired 8 team SANFL comp prevails.

I am not saying this to wind up Port supporters, just as a concerned SANFL lover who has NO interest in the GAYFL... for our comp to survive ( if we are committed to thrwing money at basket cases like South & even my own club) then the SANFL MUST make some tough decisions - one of which is to STOP BAILING OUT lost causes.

I'm sorry Booney & others, I (more than anyone understand what it is like for you to lose YOUR club) but the facts are there; the modern SANFL can not continue to throw good money at bad debt.

For the sake of the competition, sadly I believe that PAMFC has to go.

[topsywaldron]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

Maybe you just disagree with the post but deep down you know the majority of SANFL followers don't?

The patronising tone doesn't become you by the way.

[DOC]

I am not saying this to wind up Port supporters, just as a concerned SANFL lover who has NO interest in the GAYFL... for our comp to survive ( if we are committed to thrwing money at basket cases like South & even my own club) then the SANFL MUST make some tough decisions - one of which is to STOP BAILING OUT lost causes.

.

The SANFL has never bailed South out.

[Psyber]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

Booney, why are you surprised or disappointed?
Over the years my posts have stated my view that the SANFL should not have joined the VFL, and we should have hung out for an independent national league, not one run by the VFL.
I have always criticised Port's role in delivering us into the VFL, and the SANFL's weakness in folding when Port precipitated the crisis.
I would be sympathetic to the Magpies merging with an adjacent SANFL team, like WWT or WA, but not to anything that gives them an advantage in the SANFL or costs more provident teams money.

I supported the Power to some extent while I was in Melbourne on the basis that any SA team was a better choice for me, as a South Australian, than a Victorian team.
But I saw too many Norwood teams finish matches with only 16 or 17 fit men on the ground during the Fos Williams era to have any sympathy for the Port Magpies.

[Booney]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

Booney, why are you surprised or disappointed?
Over the years my posts have stated my view that the SANFL should not have joined the VFL, and we should have hung out for an independent national league, not one run by the VFL.
I have always criticised Port's role in delivering us into the VFL, and the SANFL's weakness in folding when Port precipitated the crisis.
I would be sympathetic to the Magpies merging with an adjacent SANFL team, like WWT or WA, but not to anything that gives them an advantage in the SANFL or costs more provident teams money.

I supported the Power to some extent while I was in Melbourne on the basis that any SA team was a better choice for me, as a South Australian, than a Victorian team.
But I saw too many Norwood teams finish matches with only 16 or 17 fit men on the ground during the Fos Williams era to have any sympathy for the Port Magpies.

I tend to think modern thinking for modern times. If your view is somewhat based on what the Fos Williams era did to Norwood teams of the time I think it high time to move on myself.

If the SANFL is to continue to be a competition of any note ( the next best in the land ) then doesn't it need one of it's oldest clubs participating? I understand all the negativity towards what Port Adelaide did and have done but isn't it time to look to the future and what would the SANFL be without a Magpie in it?

If football fans are happy to move forward with out the Magpies in the SANFL then the gloss of each and every premiership from now on will be tainted ( as many suggest Centrals' flags in the post AFL era are viewed )

I had no intention of my post being patronising topsy, apologies if it came across that way but the future of the SANFL and the clubs within it are at another cross road and how many more changes do we want /need?

* Yes ,yes I know Port Adelaide caused it all *

[UK Fan]

Don't see your point in blaming the Power for moving the Magpies from Alberton when everyone knows it was an SANFL stipulation.

With the announcement in 1995 of course Port and Jack had time to prepare, which is why John Cahill stepped down mid 1996, giving Stephen Williams the opportunity to win the GF against Cennnntraaals.

I'll concede errors were made. Trying to distance from the Port Adelaide of old and be a "Crows Lite" was a BIG mistake. But 20-20 hindsight is a beautiful thing. That has nothing to do with the Magpies losing income streams, sponsors, facilities, etc. which everyone seems to think happened overnight. It's been happening for 13 years and a lesser club probably wouldn't have survived this long.

BeenReal you and I know the SANFL in no way said you must kick Port Magpies out of Alberton. That must be the Power's AFL base from now on. The stipulation was they could not have the same base.

It was your club(Buccy Cunningham i believe) in its infinite wisdom that decided Port power's base was better at Alberton than At AAMI (where you play your home games). And Port Magpies needed to be booted out of their 100 plus year home and would be fine at Ethelton. WHilst the Power tries to take all the Magpies history/premierships with them into the AFL. A pretty dumb idea granted. But that was not the SANFL decision and to try and blame them is puss weak and makes you Power fans no better than any inknowledgable crows fan.

You choose this model. Not us.

One more thing Been Real. If your hero and former president of numerous seasons Matthew Richardson can sell out your club without giving a monkeys about anyone else but himself. WHy shouldnt the SANFL clubs do the same Been Real???

You (and others) need to check your facts and not just spout off baseless (inknowledgable?!) hyperbole. The PAFC was always going to remain at Alberton. If you want to believe the propaganda that the Power kicked out the Magpies then go right ahead. Hell even some misguided Magpie supporters believe it. It was in fact the Power that lead the charge to eventually get them back from Ethelton.

And Mathew Richardson joined the Power as head of special projects. And what do you know, one of those projects just happens to be overseeing the merger.

Never said Port werent going to be based away from Alberton. Just stating Yet again that was Ports idea. Not the 8 SANFL clubs. And you knew about the SANFL sitpulation about the clubs not sharing a base back in 1995 as you said ??? If you didnt like the stipulations nobody forced you to bid.

Now for your final contradiction been Real. If the existence of Port magpies in the SANFL was the SANFL and the 8 SANFL clubs fault cos of our paranoia. And that is the reason why Port is stuffed not due to anything they did themselves. Then surely youll be over the moon when the 8 SANFL clubs vote for the death of the Port Magpies and fixes its apparent mess that its own paranoia caused. Nothing to do with Port joining the AFL.

And you wont accuse us of having sour grapes and long memories when Port magpies die will you Been Real. Or is that not what you want ???? Which is it ????

Cos if you dont want them to die . You are going the wrong way about it as I mentioned previously.

BTW do you want to know what is better than winning the 1996 flag Been Real.??? Your club not dying.

[UK Fan]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

Booney, why are you surprised or disappointed?
Over the years my posts have stated my view that the SANFL should not have joined the VFL, and we should have hung out for an independent national league, not one run by the VFL.
I have always criticised Port's role in delivering us into the VFL, and the SANFL's weakness in folding when Port precipitated the crisis.
I would be sympathetic to the Magpies merging with an adjacent SANFL team, like WWT or WA, but not to anything that gives them an advantage in the SANFL or costs more provident teams money.

I supported the Power to some extent while I was in Melbourne on the basis that any SA team was a better choice for me, as a South Australian, than a Victorian team.
But I saw too many Norwood teams finish matches with only 16 or 17 fit men on the ground during the Fos Williams era to have any sympathy for the Port Magpies.

Agreed. SHould of just let them die.

[Booney]

Regardless of what you think of Webbers actions, speaking of the departed like that is bad taste mate,IMO.

[beenreal]

Well that's just charming!

[Pseudo]

If the SANFL is to continue to be a competition of any note ( the next best in the land ) then doesn't it need one of it's oldest clubs participating?

Nope. Not if said club has become a liability to the competition.

South is almost as old as Port. Would the SANFL be equally lessened in relevance if it was the Panthers up against the wall instead of the Magpies?

Is Central to be regarded as less essential to the league than the other 8 clubs simply because it was the last one in? (Extrapolating the Eagles' existence back to Torrens)

Any argument to preserve the Magpies which is based wholly on the club's longevity is simply an appeal to emotion and should be properly laughed at.

[UK Fan]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

I always figured you were much better than that Psyber. Dissapointing to say the least.

Booney, why are you surprised or disappointed?
Over the years my posts have stated my view that the SANFL should not have joined the VFL, and we should have hung out for an independent national league, not one run by the VFL.
I have always criticised Port's role in delivering us into the VFL, and the SANFL's weakness in folding when Port precipitated the crisis.
I would be sympathetic to the Magpies merging with an adjacent SANFL team, like WWT or WA, but not to anything that gives them an advantage in the SANFL or costs more provident teams money.

I supported the Power to some extent while I was in Melbourne on the basis that any SA team was a better choice for me, as a South Australian, than a Victorian team.
But I saw too many Norwood teams finish matches with only 16 or 17 fit men on the ground during the Fos Williams era to have any sympathy for the Port Magpies.

I tend to think modern thinking for modern times. If your view is somewhat based on what the Fos Williams era did to Norwood teams of the time I think it high time to move on myself.

If the SANFL is to continue to be a competition of any note ( the next best in the land ) then doesn't it need one of it's oldest clubs participating? I understand all the negativity towards what Port Adelaide did and have done but isn't it time to look to the future and what would the SANFL be without a Magpie in it?

If football fans are happy to move forward with out the Magpies in the SANFL then the gloss of each and every premiership from now on will be tainted ( as many suggest Centrals' flags in the post AFL era are viewed )

I had no intention of my post being patronising topsy, apologies if it came across that way but the future of the SANFL and the clubs within it are at another cross road and how many more changes do we want /need?

* Yes ,yes I know Port Adelaide caused it all *

ANd another contradiction ???

Let me guess you didnt think that way when you guys booted Fitzroy out of the AFL.

[Booney]

If the SANFL is to continue to be a competition of any note ( the next best in the land ) then doesn't it need one of it's oldest clubs participating?

Nope. Not if said club has become a liability to the competition.

South is almost as old as Port. Would the SANFL be equally lessened in relevance if it was the Panthers up against the wall instead of the Magpies?

Is Central to be regarded as less essential to the league than the other 8 clubs simply because it was the last one in? (Extrapolating the Eagles' existence back to Torrens)

Any argument to preserve the Magpies which is based wholly on the club's longevity is simply an appeal to emotion and should be properly laughed at.

Football is an emotional game. For me this argument especially emotional but if the general consensus is for the Magpies to not receive any further assistance or be given the chance to table a possible merger with the Power then so be it.

[Booney]

ANd another contradiction ???

Let me guess you didnt think that way when you guys booted Fitzroy out of the AFL.

I'm not sure Port booted Fitzroy? The AFL were prepared to let Fitzroy go to fit us in, we didn't hit the button.

[UK Fan]

Regardless of what you think of Webbers actions, speaking of the departed like that is bad taste mate,IMO.

Edited Mr boon.

[bayman]

whether it is right or wrong there will be no port magpies as they will cease in the sanfl, as i said earlier i'm not sure whether they play in 2011 or cease before season 2011 & the afl franchised power want them to wear power jumpers in their last season this i believe has upset the magpies & this is being rejected & rightfully so

is there any truth in the story going around that the sanfl asked port if they knew 'how to run the club' & 'did they need to have some guidance' which port said 'yes we know what we're doing'. i know glenelg got some guidance a few years back & i'm sure another club or two did as well, if there is truth in this then those people should be held accountable, having said that i can not believe how the power can take the takings on match days that the magpies play at alberton as obviously 99% of the people there are there for the football & thus accordingly those $$$$ should go to the magpies who after all are the real port while the power are just another franchised team using the port name