AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Reddeer]

The "sport" is no longer sport but a multi million dollar business. This is why old men in suits with $$$ signs in their eyes are willing to F#@k the competition. When the dollars dry up God help them.

[Reddeer]

[rd]

This thread has scored 1600+ responses in barely 6 weeks from the SA footy fans who all love the SANFL product ahead of anything else - yet it has also had many moments of bickering and point scoring as everyone works to their own agenda. Bit like how the SANFL clubs have behaved as the unity starts to fracture..

[Agile]

]Actually, sorry to be anal, but the Libs leased ETSA for 199 years instead of selling it ...but you're point is still valid[/quote]

Not to mention the Great Southern Won Way Expressway. Short term policy at it's best.Good one Johnny O

[daysofourlives]

What about the advantage of the crows playing all away games to them financially??
No ground or facilities to maintain, insurances (public liability etc), catering costs (i imagine will be very hard to determine how many to cater for)

How would you go if it was any other club that wanted to join the SANFL and you said oh by the way we don't have an oval, we will just use your ovals?

[mighty_tiger_79]

What about the advantage of the crows playing all away games to them financially??
No ground or facilities to maintain, insurances (public liability etc), catering costs (i imagine will be very hard to determine how many to cater for)

How would you go if it was any other club that wanted to join the SANFL and you said oh by the way we don't have an oval, we will just use your ovals?

sturt do this by playing at coopers stadium

[Magpiespower]

Ravens are go!

[sjt]

"the magpies have ranked in the top three for attendances since 2005"-Adelaide now Keith thomas article.
2006-4th, 07-5th, 08-4th, 09-5th, 10-5th,11-4th and 2012 3rd. One in seven truthful, the rest blatant lying, or incompetence in presenting the right numbers. Trust these guys, yeah sure!! Afl clubs get stuffed, or demonstrate the benefit to the sanfl if you want to play in our comp,

(thanks to philh for the stats. Maybe port should have contacted Phil if they wanted the truth.. If.)

[drifter]

Fair enough about the crowds, but really some of you blokes pick and choose what you add in to the argument to put across Port as selfish to suit your needs.
Not sure where these points fit in to that, but I'm sue you'll find a way.

From the CEO
The Proposal
-Power in the AFL
-Magpies in the SANFL league competition, with a mix of our overflow AFL listed players and local Magpies players.
-Reserves and junior structure retained.
-A reduced zone (75%current zone location) in recognition of the fact that less opportunities will be available at league level for local players.
-Reduced salary cap (to be confirmed) in recognition of the fact that fewer local players will need to be paid.
-No non-AFL interstate recruits for the Magpies.
-No out-of-zone recruits
-Full SANFL dividend returned to Clubs ($600k or $75k per Club)
-Second opinion injury assessment by SANFL doctors at finals time.
-Reviewed after two years to ensure we are neither too strong, nor too weak.
-Long term commitment to the SANFL

[on the rails]

Drifter - that has been rejected already. The only thing the Directors have voted on to date re this AFL Reserves is to reject the PAFC models.

You need to accept if your club wants an AFL Reserves side then the Magpie structure is dead. Why is it that the Port people don't get this and the fact no other AFL Club has that structure so why do the Power need it? As for the Port people suggesting the Crows set up a proper club in SA - what an absurd suggestion!

Personally I don't want AFL Reserves teams in our League comp and if it happens, and it looks more and more likely that is the case, I won't be attending another SANFL game and will not renew my membership at North. One consolation for walking away from 41 years of going to North games is the Magpies die when that happens.

[whufc]

Drifter - that has been rejected already. The only thing the Directors have voted on to date re this AFL Reserves is to reject the PAFC models.

You need to accept if your club wants an AFL Reserves side then the Magpie structure is dead. Why is it that the Port people don't get this and the fact no other AFL Club has that structure so why do the Power need it? As for the Port people suggesting the Crows set up a proper club in SA - what an absurd suggestion!

Personally I don't want AFL Reserves teams in our League comp and if it happens, and it looks more and more likely that is the case, I won't be attending another SANFL game and will not renew my membership at North. One consolation for walking away from 41 years of going to North games is the Magpies die when that happens.

Agree, based on what has been reported so far has strengthed my decision to walk away from the SANFL if the AFL clubs come in.

There is yet to be one benefit to the SANFL clubs except for made up figures by the AFL clubs.

If the league directors can't be strong and stand up for themselves then that's not a league I wanna be apart of........,.......exclude joe tripoldi

This would be another case of the SANFL bending over and taking it, where would it stop

I could imagine in another five years what would happen if the Crows make the AFL finals and the Ravens miss out, while both the power sides make the finals, would the crows request a six team finals series so there players can continue to play. Lol

[therisingblues]

Drifter: basically what OTR said.
The main point being, we don't want our league trivialized to suit the AFL.
Personally, I never wanted an AFL in the first place. But hey you guys and others did, best of luck to you all now off you go and leave us alone. The imposition of a reserves side onto a serious comp like the SANFL is a joke in itself. Now the details of the proposal have been put forward but the main point remains the inclusion of a reserves side in our comp, so it remains a joke.
The selfish part is the attitude of many Port fans on here claiming that it's their right and we are wrong to deny it.
Some would say just pushing for ressies in the first place was selfish. I reckon that's debatable, but the sheer arrogance displayed by the Port crowd has lost any sympathy I had left.

[RB]

Spot on, TRB. I think most followers of real footy don't mind what the AFL clubs do as long as it doesn't interfere with the SANFL. The AFL clubs are not just selfish and arrogant but incredibly insular in that they don't seem to get it that not everyone is interested in the AFL, and in particular not interested in it sullying a league like the SANFL. The AFL clubs live in a world where footy is the AFL and nothing else - it is as if 18 clubs play the sport and that is all. Because their thought process is incapable of going beyond things AFL, the idea that we mightn't want them polluting our league is incomprehensible for them.

All that we need to stop these proposals coming to fruition are at least 3 sensible league directors who say 'don't be silly', 'reserves teams are for reserves comps', etc., and the Crows and Port would get back in their box. I fear though that the men in charge are going to let us down...

[Reddeer]

So Sanderson indicates Crows players will be withdrawn from todays game due to them playing on friday night. Guess if they are in the SANFL they would forfieit. Great!!!!!!!

[whufc]

So Sanderson indicates Crows players will be withdrawn from todays game due to them playing on friday night. Guess if they are in the SANFL they would forfieit. Great!!!!!!!

Exactly, or they will be doing the ring around like crazy to the SANFL clubs asking to borrow underage players who probably played yesterday.

Really diminishes the value of playing league football when you are going to have under 18's etc etc who havent really earnt the debut in league football.

[whufc]

Thought of the day.

Could you imagine what would happen if Manchester United asked the Football Association to have their reserves side compete in the npower championship league.

Or what if Lairdy wakes up today and decides the SANFL reserves comp has slipped greatly in standard and requests Centrals reserves side to play in div1 amatuer league.

[Aerie]

therisingblues sums it up perfectly. It is a shame only Joe Tripodi has come out and said similar.

It is almost like the SANFL is becoming more business than sport with the SANFL clubs. The people in charge with making the vote are thinking about growth and their pay packet instead of just providing a place where a game of footy can be played. Obviously sustainability is a must. Perhaps we have gone too far with things like full time coaches and the like? If I hear the phrase match day experience again I'll spew.

My view point is pretty simple, but what I think is important is:

1) All 8 clubs survive and sustainable.
2) The competition remain true, without AFL Reserves.
3) The best players outside AFL want to play SANFL.
4) The best facilities as possible used (i.e. current suburban grounds and Adelaide Oval for GF).

If number 1 can be ticked, then all the others are possible. If number 1 can't be ticked, then other options need to be considered.

[whufc]

therisingblues sums it up perfectly. It is a shame only Joe Tripodi has come out and said similar.

It is almost like the SANFL is becoming more business than sport with the SANFL clubs. The people in charge with making the vote are thinking about growth and their pay packet instead of just providing a place where a game of footy can be played. Obviously sustainability is a must. Perhaps we have gone too far with things like full time coaches and the like? If I hear the phrase match day experience again I'll spew.

My view point is pretty simple, but what I think is important is:

1) All 8 clubs survive and sustainable.
2) The competition remain true, without AFL Reserves.
3) The best players outside AFL want to play SANFL.
4) The best facilities as possible used (i.e. current suburban grounds and Adelaide Oval for GF).

If number 1 can be ticked, then all the others are possible. If number 1 can't be ticked, then other options need to be considered.

And their ability in the future to move through the ranks, que an ex central president.

[RB]

1) All 8 clubs survive and sustainable.
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If number 1 can be ticked, then all the others are possible. If number 1 can't be ticked, then other options need to be considered.

I agree, Aerie. Given that the Eagles made a profit last year (an especially good financial result considering the expenditure on the clubrooms upgrade), it would be particularly disappointing if Slaven voted for reserves teams.

[Apachebulldog]

Hey guys just checked out the Perth Now site and checked out the match reports in the WAFL to see what the crowd numbers are can someone tell meis policy over there not do a head count of people attending games crowd numbers for all games are shown as 1500 approx or 1200 approx some were about 2000 or about 1900 or about 1500 looks like that comp is on its last legs will the same happen next year when the AFL RESERVES are dumped in our comp will the SANFL also report our crowd numbers as approx and about in 2014 ????????