Salary Cap Issues - Norwood, West & Port

[dedja]

all good questions Squawk ... what a bunch of muppets

[Long live SAnFL]

CENTRAL DISTRICT FC

MORALE PREMIERS 2012

THE DYNASTY CONTINUES

Reserves not Morale!
The only dynasty that continues at Elizabeth now is a Chinese restaurant....

[Squawk]

The basic approach must be this:

Salary Cap = $360,000 year
20 minor round games = match payments of $18,000/game
I'm assuming reserves are paid via the cap too - so let's just say
21 league players get $15,900 match, or $757 each
21 reserves players get $2,100 match, or $100 match each on average

Presumably, you then factor in injuries where players get some protection. So sticking with averages, lets say your player list is 60 players.
30 league players (21 playing) get $15,000 match, average $500 each match on average
30 reserves players get $3,000 match, or $100 game each on average.

Then the ducks and drakes of AFL listed players, Captain's wages versus those paid to a player with 5 league games to their name, etc, all comes in to play. This is the hardest part - the swings and roundabouts. But if you know you cant exceed $15,000 on average for match payments for a league game, then that must be your starting point? If in the first 3 games you have a full list and you're suddenly paying $17,000 game, you've got to find $6,000 in savings on match payments in the remaining 17 games.

All I can think of is that West contract players to get a minimum match payment guaranteed but don't do the sums to work out a way to find an average of $15,000 a match over 20 rounds.

If I suddenly got a job as a footy manager, then I'd imagine my starting point would be to have 4 tiers of league players in a squad of thirty, eg

Tier one - five players collect a standard match payment of $1,000 game, = $5,000
Tier two - seven players collect a standard match payment of $600 game, = $4,200
Tier three - ten players collect a standard match payment of $400 game = $4,000
Tier four - eight players collect a basic league payment of say $250/game = $2,000

That adds up to $15,200, and yet 9 of those wont play league that week. So your payments could be a bit higher for each tier, say $100 each, and you should still come in under $15,000 per match. eg if your best 21 paid players are on the field, getting an extra $100 each than suggested above, you are up for $15,300. Injury payments will then come into it though, when they inevitably surface.

I'm not saying the job of footy managers is straightforward when it comes to juggling match payments to meet the salary cap. I'm just suggesting a basic approach should enable sufficient protections to be built in. Nonetheless, when you use my model but have more tiers, (eg one player gets say, $60,000 a year), and competition builds between clubs for quality recruits, then it's easy to see how things could become complicated...

I still dont understand what Kym Russell means by ä good run with injuries and some fringe players, who would be paid less if they played reserves, played consistent league football.". Maybe they were being paid in tier three of my model, instead of entry level tier four. Then again - isn't Kym Russell an Accountant?!! I'm certainly not, LOL.

[dedja]

you forget this is the same club that thinks that stacking 21 players behind centre is a sound and sustainable game plan ...

[UK Fan]

You exceeded the cap but would have bought another player, how does that work?

Ask Matt Slade about contract negotiations with Kris.

#brownbags

toss of the coin employees spilling the beans again ???

#makingupstuff

[UK Fan]

Just witnessedv Aussies hit 450 + in a day

Oh yeah tainted premiership no matter what ANY club supporter says LOL

Think you have made your point, which premiership year did Centrals get done for being over the cap, cause with your theory that is tainted also now. Except in Centrals case it was proven, Norwoods hasn't....

Was it 2008 ????

[holden78]

Member email from West;

The West Adelaide Football Club regret to advise it has breached the SANFL salary cap regulations. At no stage was our salary cap breach intentional. We prepared and submitted our player contracts at the start of the season on the same basis as previous years using certain assumptions which turned out to be incorrect. A complete declaration of our player contracts were fully and transparently disclosed to the SANFL at the appropriate time early in the 2012 season. We take full responsibility for this outcome and apologise to our members, supporters and the SANFL football community for the unintended breach.

The Club understands the South Australian Football Commission will be meeting early next week to discuss the matter and will make no further comment until the Club has been advised of the Commission’s decision.

Kym Russell
Chief Executive Officer

So I hope West will not be able to take a player in the SANFL draft as part punishment!
Leaving out many players late in the year was a ploy to cut down on payments.

[hereselmo1]

After all the whining about the integrity of the competition...

[maccad]

after now hearing comfirmation that we have not breached the salary cap certain people on this website need to pull their heads in and wait for facts before making rediculouse comments like tainted premiership and cheats. West have gone over the salary cap but even then i don't hold any grudge as it not as though they have deliberatly gone out to break the cap it is my understanding from what people have written on hear that salary cap set up has it's defects just like some of the posters on this website.

[Bunton]

Mark my words this issue is not over for norwood yet. Might also be another club exposed very shortly.

[StrayDog]

After all the whining about the integrity of the competition...

"Whining" predominately in respect to the potential involvement of "local" AFL sides.

So, what's your point?

*Cough*KurtTippett*cough*

[SDK]

Seems to me this system is impossible to work anyway and a club is lucky if it can comply.
Perhaps the salary cap should be for the CONTRACTED amount, not the amount actually paid. Then injuries would not be a factor and in fact most clubs would always pay less because they would have injuries.
System has to change because now West Adelaide due to no real fault of there own will be penalised ..... penalised by a bad system not for doing too much wrong.

[JK]

The Salaey Cap can be breached I believe in several ways, not just by exceeding the Cap amount .. Undisclosed Cash Payments, bonus payments that weren't part of an initial contract etc could all be made without taking a club over the limit, but are sill a breach of the system as I understand it (happy to be corrected if wrong)

[CENTURION]

The Salaey Cap can be breached I believe in several ways, not just by exceeding the Cap amount .. Undisclosed Cash Payments, bonus payments that weren't part of an initial contract etc could all be made without taking a club over the limit, but are sill a breach of the system as I understand it (happy to be corrected if wrong)

payments directly from sponsors to players.

[holden78]

And how much money have the Crows put into Joel Tippett over the journey?
Don't tell me that's not a rort!

[nwdfanparade]

The Salaey Cap can be breached I believe in several ways, not just by exceeding the Cap amount .. Undisclosed Cash Payments, bonus payments that weren't part of an initial contract etc could all be made without taking a club over the limit, but are sill a breach of the system as I understand it (happy to be corrected if wrong)

payments directly from sponsors to players.

and 'gifts' (from club and/or supporters)

[The Apostle]

Has the SANFL come out and said anything regarding Norwood and the salary cap??? The silence is deafning!!!

[whufc]

Has the SANFL come out and said anything regarding Norwood and the salary cap??? The silence is deafning!!!

Do agree the SANFL could put this all to bed by simply coming out and saying the rumours about the Norwood FC are not true.

Or is that to common sense

[Wedgie]

Yeah they should come out and state every club is not over the salary cap every year, they should also have a press release stating which people aren't terrorists, which people aren't murderers, which people haven't broken the speed limit and which people haven't cheated on their spouses.
FFS, improve the trolling a bit boys, its a pretty ordinary standard atm.

[whufc]

Yeah they should come out and state every club is not over the salary cap every year, they should also have a press release stating which people aren't terrorists, which people aren't murderers, which people haven't broken the speed limit and which people haven't cheated on their spouses.
FFS, improve the trolling a bit boys, its a pretty ordinary standard atm.

Bit different though when somone comes out publically and from no where names two teams, then even more magically is proven one half is correct, obviously there is going to be serious questions about the other half. Surely for getting the west part correct there is a small bit of credibility in his rumour.

No one else was speculating west being over so someone from some form of know has told him.