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Re: Andy Collins

Postby smithy » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:23 pm

Bunton wrote:Collo - when there were up he was all about the mind-games. Now there loosing, it's all about the excuses. Time to go, Collo.

Normal South mindset.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby CoverKing » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:55 am

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CoverKing wrote: :oops: westies going well? Far from it. The restaurant is not there to be profitable, but it is terrible and far from breaking even. The club can not afford to get rid of him but I do think the CEO should take a pay cut but also I think he will be hoping Collins goes home!!


Maybe Westies need to promote it more, the eatery that is a part of the front bar is awesome value and makes a far better (and cheaper) Mexican Nachos than Montezumas!


Need money to promote things mate. And i Advise you to not go the nachos again. They have downgraded to cheaper chipa and they are disgusting to say the least
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby mr o » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:15 pm

Its all about the depth guys, and westies just do not have it, take out the injuries we have had to our genuian A grade players, as well as our afl players comming and going, or injured, then we bcome in big trouble feilding a class sanfl side.Its not about the coach, its about finding A grade players to cover our loses, and i know every other sanfl club has the same problems, we just seem to have the same problems on a bigger scale.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby nickname » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:19 pm

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Need money to promote things mate. And i Advise you to not go the nachos again. They have downgraded to cheaper chipa and they are disgusting to say the least


Jeez, our form in the kitchen has even dropped away this season. Have there been injuries to key catering personnel?
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby Bum Crack » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:31 pm

mr o wrote:Its all about the depth guys, and westies just do not have it, take out the injuries we have had to our genuian A grade players, as well as our afl players comming and going, or injured, then we bcome in big trouble feilding a class sanfl side.Its not about the coach, its about finding A grade players to cover our loses, and i know every other sanfl club has the same problems, we just seem to have the same problems on a bigger scale.

isn't it the coach's responsibility to put together a list that has depth though??
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Andy Collins

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:00 pm

mr o wrote:Its all about the depth guys, and westies just do not have it, take out the injuries we have had to our genuian A grade players, as well as our afl players comming and going, or injured, then we bcome in big trouble feilding a class sanfl side.Its not about the coach, its about finding A grade players to cover our loses, and i know every other sanfl club has the same problems, we just seem to have the same problems on a bigger scale.

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Re: Andy Collins

Postby redandblack » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:25 pm

Ben MacReadie's report has been thrown out.

Brad Fisher has been offered a reprimand, but will go to the tribunal.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:56 pm

redandblack wrote:Ben MacReadie's report has been thrown out.

Brad Fisher has been offered a reprimand, but will go to the tribunal.


So no other reports out of the game redandblack?
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby redandblack » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:51 pm

Only Alleway for wrestling, mate, as far as I know ;)

The SANFL website says Brad Fisher 'Not Guilty'.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby Blacky » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:27 pm

redandblack wrote:Only Alleway for wrestling, mate, as far as I know ;)

The SANFL website says Brad Fisher 'Not Guilty'.

good was a weak report anyway
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby Bunton » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:48 pm

mr o wrote:Its all about the depth guys, and westies just do not have it, take out the injuries we have had to our genuian A grade players, as well as our afl players comming and going, or injured, then we bcome in big trouble feilding a class sanfl side.Its not about the coach, its about finding A grade players to cover our loses, and i know every other sanfl club has the same problems, we just seem to have the same problems on a bigger scale.


Collins has recruited more players that most clubs (many of which have come and gone since he has been there). You can't say the club has not given him every chance to build a list over the last 4 years .... to no avail. Time to start again
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:37 pm

redandblack wrote:Only Alleway for wrestling, mate, as far as I know ;)


He loves to wrestle.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby Sojourner » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:59 pm

Bunton wrote:Collins has recruited more players that most clubs (many of which have come and gone since he has been there). You can't say the club has not given him every chance to build a list over the last 4 years .... to no avail. Time to start again


I think its not unreasonable for a club that goes out and recruits a number of players to have a 50% or even less strike rate at them staying, its been proven over and over again that just because someone is a good player in the VFL that they may well not cut it in the SANFL - remember when South Adelaide recruited Tim Deacon, the leading VFL goal kicker at the time, club paid a massive amount of coin to get him for a pretty average result. - With the players that Ron has recruited, we have already turned over several players as we get the mix right into the side, and I fully expect at the end of the season that several players will again be cut from the list and replaced with new prospects to start the process over again until we get the depth right.

I thought it was fair enough for Collins to get the extra year this year to have a crack at the finals and all seemed to be going well at the start of the season. Clearly there list has the capacity when fit to play the game well, the main critiscm of Collins is that his game plan is too defensive. At the start of the season Westies played good attacking footy but have retreated back to the defensive game plan, I think the club need to review the coaching of the club to see which direction they want to go in, it could well be like mr fabulous at Sturt that one one man comes into the side and builds up the group, but another man needs to come in and take that group the rest of the way.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby MagareyLegend » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:07 pm

I think that ^ is the most illogical ramble I have come across.

I do not even understand ANY points made let alone argue for/against them.

Collins is a trained psychologist who has fooled many at West for a long time but very few of us on the outside.

Time to go Collo you have proven your incompetence.

I think you are a conman.

Go back to Victoria and try and con them.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby redandblack » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:04 am

Fair post, Sojourner. The following rant is best ignored.

It's interesting that when West had a full list, the played attacking and attractive football. When they lost players, the opposite happened.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby nickname » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:30 am

MagareyLegend wrote:I think that ^ is the most illogical ramble I have come across.

I do not even understand ANY points made let alone argue for/against them.

Collins is a trained psychologist who has fooled many at West for a long time but very few of us on the outside.

Time to go Collo you have proven your incompetence.

I think you are a conman.

Go back to Victoria and try and con them.


He's not a "trained psychologist", he's a teacher with a diploma in psychology. Your logic is amazing - those who have nothing to do with him have a wiser view of him than those who know him and work with him every day; like he's some sort of evil hypnotist who brings everyone in his reach under a spell.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby CENTURION » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:33 am

if he has a diploma in psychology, surely then he trained himself to learn psychology? To become a psychologist?
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby nickname » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:09 am

CENTURION wrote:if he has a diploma in psychology, surely then he trained himself to learn psychology? To become a psychologist?


You need to undertake a degree in psychology to become a psychologist.
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby CENTURION » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:42 am

nickname wrote:
CENTURION wrote:if he has a diploma in psychology, surely then he trained himself to learn psychology? To become a psychologist?


You need to undertake a degree in psychology to become a psychologist.

diploma isn't enough?
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Re: Andy Collins

Postby nickname » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:52 am

Unfortunately not, as I'd like to ask him for a free consultation after the trauma of this and all but one of the previous 40-odd seasons following Westies.
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