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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby dedja » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:27 pm

therisingblues wrote:It looks to me as though there are two types of Port supporters now. There are those that just want the magpies to die and hold no reservations about throwing that line out just to prove that this whole "Magpies in trouble" business is beneath them, because they are big AFL followers so screw the SANFL. Michaelangelo Rucci wrote a piece in the Advertiser to this effect.
The other sort are the ones that still love their Magpies and they're the ones still arguing for their existence in the SANFL.
I think it is only natural that some people would go along with the glamour, the glitz, and the silly little icons on the telecasts that wiggle every time something happens, that the AFL supplies. Sturt and North were fortunate not to have a club in the AFL bearing their club's name, syphoning off supporters that otherwise (as history shows) swarmed around the determined core groups that saved those two clubs.
At Sturt we had club legend Sandy Nelson that stood in the Harry McKay stand, gathered a few hundred supporters around him and swore that we weren't going to die. North had (to my understanding. I was in Japan and internet illiterate at the time) Wedgie who organised a march to save the roosters. Around these determined souls thousands of others followed and the clubs were saved.
But owing to their unique situation, all the people of influence at Alberton are too busy with the Power, and not too concerned with the Magpies. The obvious solution for them would be to merge the two clubs called Port into one club called Port, or just let the coccoon that is currently faltering in the SANFL to die off.
Reading this thread it appears most have little or no sympathy for them, preferring to wave misdeeds of the past as valid reasons to not save them now. They tend to forget that the arrogant mob who authored those misdeeds are the same ones that manouvered to join the AFL, the same ones (in most likelihood) that don't give a **** about the Magpies now.
And that is the mob you should be angry at. Not the considerably smaller group who still follow the Magpies as their primary football interest.
I still believe that if we cut the Magpies out of the SANFL it would be a big loss. Each time the SANFL had to give up a team to the AFL it became a little weaker, this would weaken it even more. Now I know a lot of people have valid reasons, stemming from a concern that Port are receiving an unfair advantage, but a lot of people seem motivated by revenge, and they should be taking their revenge out against the mob who really don't care what happens to the Magpies.
However, the main ones who'll get punished are those that have continued to follow the Magpies in spite of their recent poor form. Without reservation, these are the true Magpie fans and have shown much more loyalty to the SANFL than those who only follow the Power. It is truly ironic that these loyal fans should have to bear the burden of crimes perpetrated by their flippant AFL cousins.


That is a brilliant post and pretty much sums up my thinking ...
Dunno, I’m just an idiot.

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:24 pm

UK Fan wrote:http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89085/default.aspx


They're pulling the piss. Perhaps North and the Crows would be a good joint venture :)
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:50 am

I was thinking yesterday that we should actually be thankful that Port got a club in the AFL.

If you hated the Crows back in 1991 and stuck with your SANFL club and weren't a Port supporter, then you were pretty unlikely to jump on board a second club you despised. Freo had that "anti-Eagles" element (rather than old Souths and Easts supporters) that gives them a greater support base to draw from than Port had. As a result it keeps the SANFL a viable option for live footy.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby topsywaldron » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:00 am

Barto wrote:If you hated the Crows back in 1991


Nineteen years and still going strong thanks.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby CUTTERMAN » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:05 am

From listening to the radio last night, Trigg, AFC, commented that they had reservations about the whole thing. Thinking about it since, if you were the AFC and you had been putting about 1M back into the sanfl nearly every year and Port Power had been returning substanially less, if anything, and then the Power want to soak up the investments/assets that the PAMFC have obtained with the financial gains mainly tipped in by AFC, I'd be pretty pissed off too. I'd be asking huge questions about it, and it's on going eg. what happens with AFC's dividend from future years, does any go to the PAMFC? Then if so does any of that go to the Power? Does the Merged Port Club return a dividend to all SANFL clubs? This is fraught with issues and from what I keep hearing the proposal is changing with every club they meet with. :?
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:13 am

topsywaldron wrote:
Barto wrote:If you hated the Crows back in 1991


Nineteen years and still going strong thanks.


And we get rubbished for not knowing our history.... :lol:
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Wedgie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:26 am

CUTTERMAN wrote: and from what I keep hearing the proposal is changing with every club they meet with. :?

Heard the same, unfortunately for Port, SANFL clubs do talk amongst themselves.
The proposal is doomed and Port only have themselves to blame. Magpies supporters should be extremely angry with their club and the Power.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:35 am

Wedgie wrote:
CUTTERMAN wrote: and from what I keep hearing the proposal is changing with every club they meet with. :?

Heard the same, unfortunately for Port, SANFL clubs do talk amongst themselves.
The proposal is doomed and Port only have themselves to blame. Magpies supporters should be extremely angry with their club and the Power.


Do you not think the proposal is constantly being reviewed / refined to give the two parties the best possible chance of it getting approved?

Flexibility was always going to be paramount in any proposal put forward and as each SANFL club has the chance to review it ( bar 1 ) and point out concerns the proposal comittee must take it on board and do their level best to accomodate the changes suggested.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Wedgie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:43 am

Flexibility and advising all parties is fine. Giving different parties different stories and not advising them of changes they make isn't and shoots themself in the arse and gives any proposal no chance of getting up.
Hypothetically speaking of course.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:05 am

If they're pulling that stunt then the early calls of "dont trust them" are looking like valid warnings. If they're not being deceptive then it's amateurish at best and they don't even know what they want.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:06 am

Booney wrote:
topsywaldron wrote:
Barto wrote:If you hated the Crows back in 1991


Nineteen years and still going strong thanks.


And we get rubbished for not knowing our history.... :lol:


Hating them when they first took the field doesnt mean a thing.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby nickname » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:15 am

CUTTERMAN wrote:From listening to the radio last night, Trigg, AFC, commented that they had reservations about the whole thing. Thinking about it since, if you were the AFC and you had been putting about 1M back into the sanfl nearly every year and Port Power had been returning substanially less, if anything, and then the Power want to soak up the investments/assets that the PAMFC have obtained with the financial gains mainly tipped in by AFC, I'd be pretty pissed off too. I'd be asking huge questions about it, and it's on going eg. what happens with AFC's dividend from future years, does any go to the PAMFC? Then if so does any of that go to the Power? Does the Merged Port Club return a dividend to all SANFL clubs? This is fraught with issues and from what I keep hearing the proposal is changing with every club they meet with. :?


Very good points Cutterman.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby JK » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:43 am

nickname wrote:
CUTTERMAN wrote:From listening to the radio last night, Trigg, AFC, commented that they had reservations about the whole thing. Thinking about it since, if you were the AFC and you had been putting about 1M back into the sanfl nearly every year and Port Power had been returning substanially less, if anything, and then the Power want to soak up the investments/assets that the PAMFC have obtained with the financial gains mainly tipped in by AFC, I'd be pretty pissed off too. I'd be asking huge questions about it, and it's on going eg. what happens with AFC's dividend from future years, does any go to the PAMFC? Then if so does any of that go to the Power? Does the Merged Port Club return a dividend to all SANFL clubs? This is fraught with issues and from what I keep hearing the proposal is changing with every club they meet with. :?


Very good points Cutterman.


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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Country Cousin » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:04 pm

It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power? Why on earth would they want to add the Magpies debts to their own already substantial problems? I'm afraid the whole deal just doesn't ring true, no matter how they try to dress it up. The Crows can see that, Sturt and North Adelaide, at least, can see it and I suspect most of the other SANFL clubs can as well.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby nickname » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:28 pm

Country Cousin wrote:It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power?


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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Wedgie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:52 pm

nickname wrote:
Country Cousin wrote:It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power?


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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby LPH » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:16 pm

Wedgie wrote:
nickname wrote:
Country Cousin wrote:It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power?


The Prince of Wales Hotel.


BINGO!!!
They want to move their gaming operation to a main road.


Very valid point but...

I am wondering about the whole issue of Gaming Revenue being the main income stream for Footy Clubs.

Are they just being lazy - by having such an emphasis on 'bandits'?
Is a concerning trend IMHO
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby beenreal » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:32 pm

LoudEagleHooligan wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
nickname wrote:
Country Cousin wrote:It's hard to see how it could be done without creating a Power reserves team (In fact if not in name) and thus bringing demands from the Crows for the same advantage. After all, what else is in it for the Power?


The Prince of Wales Hotel.


BINGO!!!
They want to move their gaming operation to a main road.


Very valid point but...

I am wondering about the whole issue of Gaming Revenue being the main income stream for Footy Clubs.

Are they just being lazy - by having such an emphasis on 'bandits'?
Is a concerning trend IMHO


The emphasis on gaming used to be the be all and end all. Now it's all part of the function/ social/ gaming package.

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:37 pm

LoudEagleHooligan wrote:Are they just being lazy - by having such an emphasis on 'bandits'?
Is a concerning trend IMHO


Westies always had a good social club before the pokies IIRC. The government blew it by allowing the pubs to have equal footing with the social clubs.

Any club that doesnt use their pokie venues as a source of income while it's legal would have to be crazy. Only the Crows can get away with not having them.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby am Bays » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:01 am

Well looks like its coming* to a head now. Vote next Tuesday night according to this article in tomorrows fish wrap. In six days time we will know if the Magpies are history or not. I wonder if Haysman has helped the cause by basically saying you vote yes now or its never??

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/meeting-to-decide-on-port-power-merger/story-e6frecj3-1225826538644

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