AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Macca19]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".

What? Have you read this thread at all? It is the exact opposite of what we want.

[whufc]

On the other hand, there's Teflon Corp, that simply wants to chuck a side into the SANFL League competition, rotate an "invitee" list and promote their Brand in rival zones during "coaching clinics", but that's OK by some.

You guys have got so many different versions of "integrity" and "uncompromised" you're tying yourselves up in knots.

10,9,8,7,6.......

There's that chip on your shoulder again - "look at what the Crows are getting. We want the same. Wah, wah, wah".

What? Have you read this thread at all? It is the exact opposite of what we want.

No u want everything your own way (for free mind you) while the 8 other SANFL clubs have to suffer.

The fact is u should consider ur selves lucky to be allowed to have a reserves side in a league comp yet all use can do is whinge you might lose your junior area which isn't going to help your number one priority the power anyway.

[Macca19]

Annnnnd there we have it!
"we want to continue to play for SANFL premierships"
"but it gives the Magpies no greater advantage than any other SANFL club"
Are you seriously telling me you think that under the PAFC proposal Port Magpies will have no greater advantage than the other SANFL clubs. This is exactly THE problem. You are delusional.

How is it a huge advantage? Has having 7-8 AFL players been an advantage to Sturt over the last year and a half? Where are Port on the ladder this year with 5-6 AFL players playing for them? The club has a cap on spending. It cant spend more than the average football spend of clubs in the SANFL.

As has been mentioned. People need to work out what their opinion is. Half the people think the team will be a joke, don't want to win games, aren't interested in premierships. The other half think they will be too strong, will dominate the league, will win the premiership every year.

[Macca19]

No u want everything your own way (for free mind you) while the 8 other SANFL clubs have to suffer.

The other 8 SANFL clubs don't lose anything. We will lose our club. Big difference.

The fact is u should consider ur selves lucky to be allowed to have a reserves side in a league comp yet all use can do is whinge you might lose your junior area which isn't going to help your number one priority the power anyway.

People complain that we don't care about local/grass roots footy, yet we are the ones that want to keep the link with the junior zones and relationships with grass roots clubs that we've made over 140 years. Which one is it? You lot flip flop something chronic.

[whufc]

No u want everything your own way (for free mind you) while the 8 other SANFL clubs have to suffer.

The other 8 SANFL clubs don't lose anything. We will lose our club. Big difference.

The fact is u should consider ur selves lucky to be allowed to have a reserves side in a league comp yet all use can do is whinge you might lose your junior area which isn't going to help your number one priority the power anyway.

People complain that we don't care about local/grass roots footy, yet we are the ones that want to keep the link with the junior zones and relationships with grass roots clubs that we've made over 140 years. Which one is it? You lot flip flop something chronic.

What the integrity of the comp

Or

Playing against teams that aren't on a level playing field is nothing

The reason you may lose ur club is your own fault and won't be solved by having a reserves side, don't bring the other 8 clubs down with u

[Aerie]

SACA have convinced the SANFL that a new 4-team Premier League style competition is the way to go.

Teams will be Port Reserves, Crows Reserves, SA Metro U/23 and SA Country U/23. Competition to be known as AFLSA and all matches played at Football Park as double headers. Crows CEO Rob Chapman believes the competition can be funded by the thousands of Crows fans that will flock to watch their Reserves team. All Under 23 players in South Australia are eligible to enter to play for the Country and Metro teams and both have squads of 30. Players not picked go back to their club, either SANFL Reserves, Country or Amateurs.

Port draw extra players from the best Under 18's from WWT, West, North and Central.

Crows draw extra players from the best Under 18's from Norwood, Sturt, South and Glenelg.

SANFL comprises of 8 clubs.
Gains Port Magpies zoned players.
Loses all AFL players, all Under 18 players picked for Crows or Port reserves and 60 Under 23's who choose to play in this competition.

[sjt]

If the sanfl accept any terms even close to the crap provided and quoted in the paper by chapman and thomas, I don't imagine I'd attend another sanfl game.
Until the crows and power can provide even one good, logical, valid reason why the reserves concept is advantageous to the sanfl clubs, I'd respond with, how does f$&@ off sound?

[whufc]

I love the 'we will run coaching clinics in the clubs zone promoting the SANFL' yeah because that's really going to help SANFL clubs get more kids becoming fans of the SANFL clubs and not the 'ravens'

[am Bays]

I love the 'we will run coaching clinics in the clubs zone promoting the SANFL' yeah because that's really going to help SANFL clubs get more kids becoming fans of the SANFL clubs and not the 'ravens'

The things they are doing that already. Only thing that will change is when they will do it.

[Dutchy]

Part of an email Glenelg members rec'd today -

Once we have consolidated all the information and analysed the pro’s and cons of the various options we will provide an opportunity for members to come to an information evening at the club so you can be made aware of the possible impact on our club and the competition and provide your feedback.
I do appreciate that this is a very emotive issue and understand and applaud your passion for the Glenelg Football Club, and this is why I promise you that the decision will not be rushed or made without consulting and engaging our members.
Hopefully I see you at the Parade tonight supporting the team.
Nick Chigwidden
President

Good to hear we will get to have our say and views put forward.

[lambchops]

I love the 'we will run coaching clinics in the clubs zone promoting the SANFL' yeah because that's really going to help SANFL clubs get more kids becoming fans of the SANFL clubs and not the 'ravens'

this should be looked upon as a slap in the face to our clubs. Not a selling point!

[lambchops]

If the sanfl accept any terms even close to the crap provided and quoted in the paper by chapman and thomas, I don't imagine I'd attend another sanfl game.
Until the crows and power can provide even one good, logical, valid reason why the reserves concept is advantageous to the sanfl clubs, I'd respond with, how does f$&@ off sound?

Pretty much the same way I feel. I probably will still rock up just to see my mates. But bloody hell we had a comp that most of us would give our left nut to enjoy a premiership, turned into a proposed comp that we only turn up to see our friends. Something is seriously wrong when our proud 140 year old league is reduced to this.

[Pseudo]

Don't care how you spin it! If you want teams in the SANFL then you play by the same rules as any other team

^ this.

You Porties seriously want a Port SANFL entity which interacts with the Port community and Port country zone?

Then lobby your club to de-merge and let PAM stand on its own two feet among the other 8 dinkum SANFL clubs.

As it stands the AFL arm is going to kill the SANFL arm.

[Mark_Beswick]

SANFL isn't killing Port.

Port AFL has a choice - Status Quo with no reserves teams and the magpies survive

OR THEY elect to kill the Port Magpies with the 100+ years tradition and have a reserves. No one is forcing port to have a reserves team its the club that will make the sacrifice and the cant blame the SANFL if they choose this option.

As for the Crows - Get stuffed and play somewhere else.

[LPH]

Part of an email Glenelg members rec'd today -

Once we have consolidated all the information and analysed the pro’s and cons of the various options we will provide an opportunity for members to come to an information evening at the club so you can be made aware of the possible impact on our club and the competition and provide your feedback.
I do appreciate that this is a very emotive issue and understand and applaud your passion for the Glenelg Football Club, and this is why I promise you that the decision will not be rushed or made without consulting and engaging our members.
Hopefully I see you at the Parade tonight supporting the team.
Nick Chigwidden
President

Good to hear we will get to have our say and views put forward.

Well Done Bays!!
Let's hope ALL Clubs follow suit - the members deserve a hearing @ the very least.

[The Sleeping Giant]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

and what about the money NAFC need to prop them up over the years? yeh you seem to forget about the hand outs you have gotten.

NAFC have never received a handout from the sanfl. What are you talking about?

[Pseudo]

So seems like its all but a done deal and seems like the Magpies will be no longer in its current form.

I hope the PAFC give the SANFL a multi million dollar bill for their zones that they've developed over 100 years.

And none of the other clubs have developed their zones - what is your point? What about the handout money to prop up "One Club" - you forget that! Selfish and greedy even to the grave!

and what about the money NAFC need to prop them up over the years? yeh you seem to forget about the hand outs you have gotten.

NAFC have never received a handout from the sanfl. What are you talking about?

never been trolled before, TSG?

[sjt]

SANFL isn't killing Port.

Port AFL has a choice - Status Quo with no reserves teams and the magpies survive

OR THEY elect to kill the Port Magpies with the 100+ years tradition and have a reserves. No one is forcing port to have a reserves team its the club that will make the sacrifice and the cant blame the SANFL if they choose this option.

As for the Crows - Get stuffed and play somewhere else.

Spot on. If port power "one club", kill off the magpies, will they then not support grass roots football and have no community involvement ? Which they make out is one of their concerns.

As for chapman making the unfounded, groundless assumption that a crows reserves side would add $40,000 to an sanfl clubs coffers on match day is farcical (particularly coming from someone with a finance/ football background). I could just as easily contend a crowd of 1,000 is more likely, based on interstate experiences and sanfl supporter feedback. How many people are interested in going to watch 5-10 second string pap or crows players play.
1,000 through the gate at $14, equals $14,000. Providing these are all pay at the gate attendees
, not children or home games that are included in your membership.
What's the cost of match payments for the game? Complete guess, even $200 a player, about $4,000. Other costs, insurance, security, other paid staff? Wow, $10,000 sure sounds attractive to screw up our competition,
Again, demonstrate the advantage to the SANFL teams of playing in our comp or get stuffed!

[The Sleeping Giant]

NAFC have never received a handout from the sanfl. What are you talking about?

never been trolled before, TSG?

He writes some long posts for a troll.

[Agile]

Part of an email Glenelg members rec'd today -

Once we have consolidated all the information and analysed the pro’s and cons of the various options we will provide an opportunity for members to come to an information evening at the club so you can be made aware of the possible impact on our club and the competition and provide your feedback.
I do appreciate that this is a very emotive issue and understand and applaud your passion for the Glenelg Football Club, and this is why I promise you that the decision will not be rushed or made without consulting and engaging our members.
Hopefully I see you at the Parade tonight supporting the team.
Nick Chigwidden
President

Good to hear we will get to have our say and views put forward.

Well Done Bays!!
Let's hope ALL Clubs follow suit - the members deserve a hearing @ the very least.

VERY WELL DONE GFC. I for one will give the President of the NAFC until monday afternoon to come up with a similar pledge. If it is not forth coming my opinion of the Board of the NAFC will be severely damaged.

And for what it is worth, IMHO, **** OFF AFL Pty Ltd. And its no bloody wonder that the State Bank collapsed when people of the calbre of R Chapman are running the banking show. $ 40,000 per game? A rudimentary cobbling together of some pie in the sky figures over a couple of bottles of wine at the Old Boy Club luncheon..