WAFL accepts Freo & WC reserves

[JK]

Port Magpies become the Powers reserves and play in the VFL, leaving 8 teams in the SANFL, I could live with that.

And where to for the Crows reserves?

Who cares, as long as it isnt here

LOL I agree, but you know there will need to be answer

[topsywaldron]

And I probably go to more SANFL games than you.

Try again.

You definitely go to more AFL games than me though and given how truly awful the Power have been/ will continue to be that's pretty amusing.

[Jim05]

Port Magpies become the Powers reserves and play in the VFL, leaving 8 teams in the SANFL, I could live with that.

And where to for the Crows reserves?

Who cares, as long as it isnt here

LOL I agree, but you know there will need to be answer

There may be a spot in the Ammo's for them

[mighty_tiger_79]

crows reserves in the u18s

[Dutchy]

Port Magpies become the Powers reserves and play in the VFL, leaving 8 teams in the SANFL, I could live with that.

And where to for the Crows reserves?

Same comp

[Pseudo]

Claremont's chance of completing a hat-trick of premierships is almost nil now

Not if they forgo participation in the Fauxtel Cup

[wild dog]

With the move to the AO, the SANFL as part of their long term plan is allegedly going to redevelop alot of the land around West Lakes and that includes retaining ownership of a good portion and deriving income from tenants. Not sure where the development money is coming at this time given their already big debt but a big sell off re the assets for one big debt clearance play may not be the right way to go re the future. Retaining viable assets such as land / real estate will be IMO.

Agree. Possible joint venture. Sanfl was soundly financially run for years and that has not all disspeared. The real dilemna is getting the money for the crows.

[Aerie]

With the move to the AO, the SANFL as part of their long term plan is allegedly going to redevelop alot of the land around West Lakes and that includes retaining ownership of a good portion and deriving income from tenants. Not sure where the development money is coming at this time given their already big debt but a big sell off re the assets for one big debt clearance play may not be the right way to go re the future. Retaining viable assets such as land / real estate will be IMO.

Agree. Possible joint venture. Sanfl was soundly financially run for years and that has not all disspeared. The real dilemna is getting the money for the crows.

How much are the Crows worth (and Port for that matter)? Perhaps selling the Crows (after all, that is what the AFL really wants and the Crows have moved away from being a representative of the SANFL like they once were) along with some of the land around AAMI Stadium could fund development for the remaining land. If this was the case would the SANFL still derive income from being joint owners of the SMA? Would income from developments on existing land + income from SMA be enough to survive and prosper and make sure all the SANFL clubs are backed?

Would love for the SANFL to be financial enough to bite the bullet and let the Crows and Power go it alone and also for the SANFL clubs to go it alone in our own competition without AFL influence. If it is not financially viable then I guess you have to look at the other options. I think it is important though that the 8 SANFL clubs retain their own identity and develop their own zones as they do now. Would be nice to have Port Magpies as well, but it is becoming increasingly clear they are just a little brother to the Power.

[on the rails]

From the medium to long terms plans re West Lakes that I have seen, there are a number of options moving forward as to what happens to the SANFL owned / controlled land.

One of the short term problems is the Crows spent a bucket load $$$ on the Westpac Centre so they need to utlilise that until it can be depreciated down to get value for their investment plus find base in the City to ultimately move there e.g. why they were looking at next gen on Memorial Drive.

SANFL eventually could reduce the size of Football Park to a "boutique" size ground re the stand and outers to cater for neutral games and finals with a capacity of around 25K but the logistics and cost of pulling down the big stands etc are proving difficult to factor in. The best option from what I have seen is that the Northern and Members Stands go and the SANFL moves it's Admin Area to the Westpac Centre when or if the Crows vacate that. Corporate / Members area would be incorporated into the Eastern Wing Area ultimately.

Car parking could be an issue and the league is working on options for that if it leases / develops all the land East of the Westpac Centre for both residential and commercial.

The other option is if and when the Crows go, the SANFL finds a new Admin home and the whole of Football Park gets demolished and then developed for residential and commercial opportunity.

One big key to all of this is what will the SANFL receive for the Crows Licence and what AFL dividends they will receive long term. Interesting times ahead!

[holden78]

Not really sure how having a reserves side is really going to benefit Freo and WC. what happens in other major leagues e.g. NFL and EPL

It's pretty obvious that if most clubs are moving towards their own Reserves side to have direct control over the development of their players, any club that continues to farm players out to potentially conflicting game-styles is going to be at a disadvantage.

Why does Glenelg have a Reserves side?

Have no problam with the Cows or Port having a ressies side, just not in the SANFL.

How arrogant to think you can just come into the SANFL league comp and play!
What if the Eagles had come into the comp in 1991 and half heartedly tried only when it suited them, with lot's of kids, then moaned all the time when the other 8 teams complained about them.
Because every game we've played has meant everything, the comp has integrity whoever we face each week and our draft record is second to nobody!
Yes, our two AFL teams love drafting local so they don't have to work hard or pay big to keep their local lads especially from SANFL clubs! Yet they think this almost free ride is theirs to play with as they wish
PLAY THEM IN THE SANFL RESERVES COMP, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE EARNT..... NOTHING MORE!

[FlyingHigh]

A lot of emotion on WAFL forums about supporters feeling shafted by the 2 WAFL clubs, this from an East Perth supporter:

Oh my God! I just don’t know what to think. I just don’t know what to say. This is heartbreaking! Not the merger (as bad as that seems), but the way it has been done. How could we not be addressed? How could we not be spoken too? Why would Bronte treat us this way?

My family, over 4 generations have been volunteering at the East Perth Football Club for almost 70 years combined. NONE of us have ever been paid, NONE have us have EVER asked for money. I have been “involved” in the club for 12 years. Not just on the fringe either. My Grandfather and Grandmother were financial members most of their lives (94 and 87years old). My Grandmother lived for this club, her coffin was blue and black and she was buried with her East Perth photo’s. She was still attending games in her late 80’s. My Mother lived for this club. She was a financial member her entire life of 75 years. I was at games in the womb and I have been a member since I was 14 years of age. I am now 45. Not a day goes by where me or my family DO NOT do something for, with or about the East Perth Football Club. All year, not just footy season. We have spent 10’s of thousands of our own money for the East Perth Football CLub. For the pure LOVE of The East Perth Football Club.

And I tell you without a word of a lie, as I type this I am crying. I am blubbering like a school girl and I can’t stop. This has taken me so long to type.
I cry because I am so sad that I have been let down so badly. My Mum and Grandparents have had their memories defaced by the lack of respect given to US, you, me, my family, my friends. The people I have sat in the stands with ALL my life, the people I have seen grow up and get old around me. The ones I see ALWAYS back each year no matter what. THEY ARE The EAST PERTH FOOTBALL CLUB. Not the Board, not a panel, not the WAFC. And they, we, have been treated this way.

What do we do? What do I do? I just am sitting here like an idiot, hoping for something! Anything, from the club to say it will be allright. But nothing!

I have seen so much blood, sweat and tears spilled for this club by so many. I have lost count of the speeches I have seen being given by players at the end of their careers, crying, choking on words in regard to what this Club, this Jumper means to them. That is from John K Watts to Craig Glancy. What has this been for I ask?

Bronte, you MUST know what Footy means to people. Not the machine, the money hungry animal that is the AFL, but what the WAFL means to so many. To people like me. I have grown up around this club and I deserve so much more. How dare I be treated no better than the person who walks down Vincent Street and looks through the fence whilst he has a pee against a tree.


The fact these clubs did not take this to a vote by the members is going to cost both clubs a lot of supporters.

What a great but sad post. Really rams home how much this club is going to be violated running at the mercy of the Eagles.

[FlyingHigh]

This is absolutely shattering news. I feel for every East Perth supporter who have had this done to them.
They have sold their soul and turned their backs on their fellow clubs by this deal.

As a long time Claremont supporter it now means that EVERY CLAREMONT PLAYER who is on a Eagles or Dockers list will now have to play for either East Perth or Peel Thunder.

Players who have come up thru the Claremont juniors with their mates will now be told to play else where.

The goal is to win a premiership for your club. Claremont's chance of completing a hat-trick of premierships is almost nil now as a lot of their players who are on thier list are on AFL lists and they are players that have developed from thier development zones and will now have to play for one of the other clubs.

I feel very saddened for our East Perth counterparts who had no say in this matter.

East Perth Football Club 1902 - 2012 R.I.P.

On the other side, got to thinking what it would be like if the WWT Eagles became the Crows ressies in the SANFL league comp. I don't want to see the likes of Symes, Martin, McIntyre etc running around for the Eagles, and that is with no disrespect to those players abilities or characters. Any win would feel unjustified, unfair advantage, came from false pretences.
Don't really feel that comfortable at the moment with the Eagles recruiting established players like Ainger and Kirk from other clubs, almost feels like we're cheating those clubs (as opposed to the likes of Borholm, Day, Lewis, Grocke, Greiger who weren't getting an opportunity or involved in league footy, or Parry who had parted ways with South before we recruited him).

[saintal]

Money talks

Disgusting situation.

[PhilH]

Was wondering with the 7 unaligned WAFL clubs would say something

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/15281475/questions-remain-on-afl-listed-players/

[twosheds]

:evil:

Fate Acompli, The SANFL as always, will not hold out against the rolling catastrophe that is the AFL.

That in its own small way, is the feared deathknell of the Port Adelaide Magpies, as I think the Power will not operate 3 teams, just the Power in the AFL and the Power Reserves in the SANFL.


Cheers,

Just to lighten the mood a touch - as a Central supporter seeing this makes me chuckle . Yeah yeah spelling Nazi etc blah blah blah BUT Norwood Oval is the home of the self proclaimed intelligentsia

[Pseudo]

Was wondering with the 7 unaligned WAFL clubs would say something

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/15281475/questions-remain-on-afl-listed-players/

Hmmmm. From what little I've read, my impression is that the other 7 clubs' chief concern is that the 2 host clubs will become artificially strong and dominate. I'm kind of surprised by this. Should a similar situation unfold in the SANFL then the strength of the host clubs might be one issue, but I think it would be overshadowed by a number of other concerns. Nor would it be a foregone conclusion that the host clubs would become overly strong; indeed, the opposite situation (that the host clubs' standard falls to lower than that of the other clubs) is also possible - and just as much of a concern.

Regardless - I will NEVER attend a game featuring an AFL reserves team.

[CENTURION]

IF the Crows & The Power play in the SANFL, why do they have to play for points?

[holden78]

Money talks

Disgusting situation.

So you think Carey is on big money? please
Big Forwards have and will always command the best $...... that's fact.
Your just sulking and can't get over the fact that they DIDN'T want to play for Fuller, thought the club was miles away from a Flag, plus not being juniors of yours means you got sweet FA in transfer fees!
If you want to talk about $, what of the truck load you have given to Cross for next year, not to mention Ronnie being the King of SANFL coaches for salary
Hypocrite

[Go Legs]

:evil:

Fate Acompli, The SANFL as always, will not hold out against the rolling catastrophe that is the AFL.

That in its own small way, is the feared deathknell of the Port Adelaide Magpies, as I think the Power will not operate 3 teams, just the Power in the AFL and the Power Reserves in the SANFL.


Cheers,

Just to lighten the mood a touch - as a Central supporter seeing this makes me chuckle . Yeah yeah spelling Nazi etc blah blah blah BUT Norwood Oval is the home of the self proclaimed intelligentsia

Time will tell, but you sound like a Centrals supporter who sits on the fence with regards the AFL, coupled with a huge sense that everyone at the CDFC is unintelligent (which is definitely not the case) see if you are so smug when the CDFC is clearly having to pack up its SANFL bag cop the loss financially forced on us by the AFL or fold up just like all the other 8 clubs. For now I will fight to maintain our SANFL to the bitter end.

Make mine a double scotch and cheers,

[Macca19]

Was wondering with the 7 unaligned WAFL clubs would say something

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/15281475/questions-remain-on-afl-listed-players/

Hmmmm. From what little I've read, my impression is that the other 7 clubs' chief concern is that the 2 host clubs will become artificially strong and dominate. I'm kind of surprised by this. Should a similar situation unfold in the SANFL then the strength of the host clubs might be one issue, but I think it would be overshadowed by a number of other concerns. Nor would it be a foregone conclusion that the host clubs would become overly strong; indeed, the opposite situation (that the host clubs' standard falls to lower than that of the other clubs) is also possible - and just as much of a concern.

Regardless - I will NEVER attend a game featuring an AFL reserves team.

I think fears of the AFL reserves teams becoming a super power are a bit unfounded. Sturt were a quasi reserves side for the Crows this year and finished last. Port Magpies were meant to be some super team after coming under the PAFC banner and havent gone close to making the finals in the last 2 years.