Clubs Financials 2010

[redandblack]

graham, my logic doesn't say that at all.

Quite the opposite. I specifically said that the sponsor is contracted for the SANFL, so it's inaccurate to suggest you could sell it off the finals.

This is extra in a different competition, surely.

[Grahaml]

graham, my logic doesn't say that at all.

Quite the opposite. I specifically said that the sponsor is contracted for the SANFL, so it's inaccurate to suggest you could sell it off the finals.

This is extra in a different competition, surely.

The clubs are representing the SANFL at the national comp, so very easy to make an argument that this is an extension of the SANFL.

Either way though, sponsors would sign on to be on the official 2011 jumper for each club. Wherever an official jumper is used in that year, for sales, promotion or matches, the sponsor would have the right to be on there in the agreed manner.

[redandblack]

We disagree, so let's leave it at that.

[Wedgie]

If the only straws opponents of the national cup that people can come up withe are sponsors being unhappy for getting more exposure for the same money and OH&S issues then it's pretty obvious they have nothing!
I can't wait to see my club involves in a nationally exposed national club competition, I also look forward to a trip to Brisbane, more footy and less byes!


If you don't like it then just be happy traveling to Noarlunga and Elizabeth and be happy for those of us that get to travel to the GABBA and play on the national stage!

A game with no WESLO! Yay!

[sjt]

If the only straws opponents of the national cup that people can come up withe are sponsors being unhappy for getting more exposure for the same money and OH&S issues then it's pretty obvious they have nothing!
I can't wait to see my club involves in a nationally exposed national club competition, I also look forward to a trip to Brisbane, more footy and less byes!


If you don't like it then just be happy traveling to Noarlunga and Elizabeth and be happy for those of us that get to travel to the GABBA and play on the national stage!

A game with no WESLO! Yay!

Maybe the above issues, which aren't exactly nothing. Then add in, they still don't know prize money, player payments and costs to a club. You'd think they'd (Foxtel, AFL) be able to sort this out by now. With the amount of money they've thrown at the new AFL teams, you'd think they'd be able to organise this comp a bit better. If they had, maybe it could be considered a Champions league. As mentioned (many times) previously I'm not an opponent of the concept, just the way they've organised it.
I'm happy that you're happy

[doggies4eva]

If the only straws opponents of the national cup that people can come up withe are sponsors being unhappy for getting more exposure for the same money and OH&S issues then it's pretty obvious they have nothing!
I can't wait to see my club involves in a nationally exposed national club competition, I also look forward to a trip to Brisbane, more footy and less byes!


If you don't like it then just be happy traveling to Noarlunga and Elizabeth and be happy for those of us that get to travel to the GABBA and play on the national stage!

A game with no WESLO! Yay!

Give it a rest Wedgie - that's 3 or 4 times you've tried to get a bite

[Ronnie]

Does that mean everyone declared a profit? pretty unusual result if true.

[Royal City]

Imagine you're a sponsor.

You contract with an SANFL club for exposure in the SANFL.

The club comes to you and says you'll still get everything you contracted for, but you can also have a smaller exposure to a national TV audience, as well as early crowds at AFL games.

You'd say NO, because the logo isn't big enough

First I must stress that I am not talking about any of the doggies current sponsors or those of any other SANFL club. My comments are from experience as a sports administrator who has seen lots of sponsorship contracts and dealt with big sponsors.

Many sponsors are quite specific about what they want. Remember that the sponsors are reporting to boards interestate or overseas who have no interest in local footy but want a business case to show that investors money is being well spent. So if they pay big bikkies for naming rights of a team or a stadium then every time that team or stadium is in front of the media they expect their company to get exposure. It may well be a problem if other entities will have larger exposure than them - imagine in Foxtel gets sponsorship from a major competitor to your sponsor and the Foxtel associate gets major positioning and the club sponsor gets minor. This sort of thing causes major grief - to the point that contacts can be lost.

And a hell of alot of sponsors hold a little thing called "exclusivity clauses". They are a major pain for all marketing managers/departments.

West End's somehow stopped coopers sponsoring another sanfl club a couple of years back. And why centrals dont have a large percentage of wineries in the barossa sponsoring the club.

[Grahaml]

If the only straws opponents of the national cup that people can come up withe are sponsors being unhappy for getting more exposure for the same money and OH&S issues then it's pretty obvious they have nothing!
I can't wait to see my club involves in a nationally exposed national club competition, I also look forward to a trip to Brisbane, more footy and less byes!


If you don't like it then just be happy traveling to Noarlunga and Elizabeth and be happy for those of us that get to travel to the GABBA and play on the national stage!

A game with no WESLO! Yay!

Lol. Plenty more reasons than that, Wedgie.

I think almost all SA footy fans like the idea, just don't want it to be something you have to compromise everything else to be a part of.

[csbowes]

Does that mean everyone declared a profit? pretty unusual result if true.

Matt Benson mentioned that he believed that that may well be the case...

[Barto]

Good result for the entire league.

Interested in Rucci's definition of "financially challenged" in light of Sturt's profit.

[HOORAY PUNT]

Wasn't it a couple of years agao that some media people were writing doom and gloom as the clubs ( 7/9 I think)made losses ? Now with clubs making profits and seemingly having sucessful venues ,how long until they start beating on about making too much money and withdrawing the dividend ?

Maybe the issue is partly well managed clubs at SANFL level and not AFL level?

[Wedgie]

Wasn't it a couple of years agao that some media people were writing doom and gloom as the clubs ( 7/9 I think)made losses ?

Very good point, from memory it might have been Graham "Studley" Cornes who wrote one of those articles, I look forward to his article soon retracting the crap he wrote.

The year when most clubs made losses had a lot of out ordinary reasons and it was never going to be the case long term, of course those facts didn't suit his article and were left out.

Truth be known, North could show a million dollar profit every year if they wanted to. I bet at least one AFL club would like to be in that position.

[csbowes]

Very good point, from memory it might have been Graham "Studley" Cornes who wrote one of those articles, I look forward to his article soon retracting the crap he wrote.

I think what disappoints me most about Graham is that he seems to have completely lost touch with his roots. He comes across as vehemently against the SANFL and any meddling by its clubs... really, really disappointing.

[smithy]

graham, my logic doesn't say that at all.

Quite the opposite. I specifically said that the sponsor is contracted for the SANFL, so it's inaccurate to suggest you could sell it off the finals.

This is extra in a different competition, surely.

The clubs are representing the SANFL at the national comp, so very easy to make an argument that this is an extension of the SANFL.

Either way though, sponsors would sign on to be on the official 2011 jumper for each club. Wherever an official jumper is used in that year, for sales, promotion or matches, the sponsor would have the right to be on there in the agreed manner.

I seem to remember Sturt wearing AVCO on their guernsey in 1984 when they played Melbourne at Footy Park in the Sterling ? Cup.

[The Sleeping Giant]

If the only straws opponents of the national cup that people can come up withe are sponsors being unhappy for getting more exposure for the same money and OH&S issues then it's pretty obvious they have nothing!
I can't wait to see my club involves in a nationally exposed national club competition, I also look forward to a trip to Brisbane, more footy and less byes!


If you don't like it then just be happy traveling to Noarlunga and Elizabeth and be happy for those of us that get to travel to the GABBA and play on the national stage!

A game with no WESLO! Yay!

Give it a rest Wedgie - that's 3 or 4 times you've tried to get a bite

And he got his fish

[Hondo]

But I agree that the O H& S issue is a major one - what if a player receives a career ending injury with lots of hospital bills etc - who picks up the bill?

Genuine question

Who picks up the bill now? ie, if they receive a serious injury in an SANFL game? Or in a SAAFL game?

[spell_check]

Wasn't it a couple of years agao that some media people were writing doom and gloom as the clubs ( 7/9 I think)made losses ? Now with clubs making profits and seemingly having sucessful venues ,how long until they start beating on about making too much money and withdrawing the dividend ?

Maybe the issue is partly well managed clubs at SANFL level and not AFL level?

I certainly recall that.

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[on the rails]

But I agree that the O H& S issue is a major one - what if a player receives a career ending injury with lots of hospital bills etc - who picks up the bill?

Genuine question

Who picks up the bill now? ie, if they receive a serious injury in an SANFL game? Or in a SAAFL game?

The club picks up the bill depending upon the contract the player has and also all players are recommended to take out Private Health Insurance and income protection.

As far as the NAFC go there is no issue re OH&S, match payments or taking more staff etc away outside the 32 that the AFL are covering. There is no point being financially strong if you don't spend the $$$ on your core business which is Football - believe it or not at Prospect many would argue it is gaming!

[Booney]

Does that mean everyone declared a profit? pretty unusual result if true.

So all clubs made a profit ( although the Magpies had extra ordinary revenue - sale of their share of the Port Club - to do so ) and the SANFL had money to support the second AFL licence it holds and Port Adelaide plays under.

Makes you wonder why everyone is crying so hard, doesn't it?