ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[UK Fan]

The WA experience was still dealing with 2 composite sides. Port Adelaide remains a unique situation in that it is still 1 AFL club, with an SANFL affiliate

The Power is a 'franchise' and you know it.

What you're missing is that the two clubs are not affiliated. When you signed away your heritage for thrity pieces of silver the then Board agreed to the complete split of the two clubs. For you to now turn around and claim penury, on behalf of both poorly run clubs mind you, as a reason for a reconiciliation is too cute by half and symptomatic of the misguided sense of self worth that got you into this postion.

If you chose to live by the sword then the Maggies are just going to have to die by it too.

[UK Fan]

I dont mind if the Maggies go under because their proposal isnt any good or a win for both them or the other 8 clubs. What gets me is when small minded people base it on something that happened 20 years ago, or because their team at the time couldnt stand the heat of a Grand Final, namely Glenelg, North, Centrals,Eagles etc etc and they hate Port because they were good.
Maybe North just want them to go under so they can pick at the bones of the leftover Maggies with their slush fund ?
They go on about when they were broke. Dont forget the times Port supporters sent 10,000 supporters to your home games over the years all spending 10 bucks each in the pre crows era. Happy to take the money then, no questions asked.
Also, how can losing 3000 supporters be good for the SANFL ? I'm not saying give us a handout, just listen and if its a good idea give it a chance to work.

No chance.

In no way do I want any SANFL club to share facilities/administration/medical staff/marketing dept with an AFL club. With the addition of receiving the same amount of dividends from the AFL club. The fact is it is simply not fair to the other 8 SANFL clubs.

[beenreal]

I dont mind if the Maggies go under because their proposal isnt any good or a win for both them or the other 8 clubs. What gets me is when small minded people base it on something that happened 20 years ago, or because their team at the time couldnt stand the heat of a Grand Final, namely Glenelg, North, Centrals,Eagles etc etc and they hate Port because they were good.
Maybe North just want them to go under so they can pick at the bones of the leftover Maggies with their slush fund ?
They go on about when they were broke. Dont forget the times Port supporters sent 10,000 supporters to your home games over the years all spending 10 bucks each in the pre crows era. Happy to take the money then, no questions asked.
Also, how can losing 3000 supporters be good for the SANFL ? I'm not saying give us a handout, just listen and if its a good idea give it a chance to work.

No chance.

In no way do I want any SANFL club to share facilities/administration/medical staff/marketing dept with an AFL club. With the addition of receiving the same amount of dividends from the AFL club. The fact is it is simply not fair to the other 8 SANFL clubs.

It's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

[Mickyj]

It's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

Firstly it goes back to the SANFL THEY wanted a Port Magpies team to stay in the SANFL.When blind freddy could see it was better for the Port Adelaide brand just to be in the AFL or SANFL not both!!
Secondly hats off to Centrals for going out there and building an AFL training facility .Just to rub salt into your wounds the Eagles will start building their new facilities shortly

[nickname]

Neither the Magpies or the Power have said they want the SANFL team as a "reserves team" or anything like that. They have never said the Power draftees will go to the Magpies. They have said, repeatedly, that this merger will only effect things off field, nothing on field. The Magpies wont use the Power facilities, wont train with the Power players, wont get any inside info from Power listed players about SANFL clubs or whatever else the other SANFL clubs think will happen. Its actually a win for the SANFL clubs because the Power will be a lot less reliant on SANFL money by further being able to support themselves.
http://www.thepowerfromport.com.au/articles.php?action=view&article_id=9297&lid=2&yr=2009

If that is true when the details are examined, then it may get up. However, we all know not to trust what Port say, but get it in a solid contract.
If the Magpies did become a de facto reserves side the Crows would want one too. Then the SANFL competition could become lopsided...

I doubt beenreal's theory that it may not - I'm sure Port Adelaide would stack the qualifying for the SANFL team as much as possible when it became obvious the Power weren't going to make the finals yet again half way through each season, whereas the Crows players would be tied up in finals nearly every year...

That's not right pafc1870. Power's proposal is that all non-SA draftees play at the Magpies. And while some may not see that as the beginnings of an AFL Reserves side, the Crows certainly do and have indicated they would want to field a similar team. This is why I oppose the proposal completely.

[beenreal]

That's not right pafc1870. Power's proposal is that all non-SA draftees play at the Magpies. And while some may not see that as the beginnings of an AFL Reserves side, the Crows certainly do and have indicated they would want to field a similar team. This is why I oppose the proposal completely.[/quote]

I have no issue with SANFL clubs building the best facilities for their players, whether it be Central District, Eagles, Norwood... more power to them. My issue is that in the interest of "fairness" the Port Adelaide Magpies do not have that same option.

As for "The Team for Some South Australians", I'm surprised the AFC would have an issue with spreading their players through the other 8 clubs?

[drifter]

hey drifter can you explain how you say 'us' & 'we' when talking about port yet on your avatar it says norwood &

avatars dont mean much, just keeping people off the scent really. I can say I am definetely a Maggies supporter and always have been and have been a member of both they and the Power. I dont agree with the interstate recruits playing for the Maggies, but I would of thought that with the financial drain of 1 supporter base supporting 2 clubs the first 2 picks in the mini -draft would be a fair call. That way the Maggies doesnt have to pay them in their cap

[drifter]

agree totally Micky J, SANFL created the problem with their paranoia, and now some want to abandon the baby

It's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

Firstly it goes back to the SANFL THEY wanted a Port Magpies team to stay in the SANFL.When blind freddy could see it was better for the Port Adelaide brand just to be in the AFL or SANFL not both!!
Secondly hats off to Centrals for going out there and building an AFL training facility .Just to rub salt into your wounds the Eagles will start building their new facilities shortly

[drifter]

quote="UK Fan"]

I dont mind if the Maggies go under because their proposal isnt any good or a win for both them or the other 8 clubs. What gets me is when small minded people base it on something that happened 20 years ago, or because their team at the time couldnt stand the heat of a Grand Final, namely Glenelg, North, Centrals,Eagles etc etc and they hate Port because they were good.
Maybe North just want them to go under so they can pick at the bones of the leftover Maggies with their slush fund ?
They go on about when they were broke. Dont forget the times Port supporters sent 10,000 supporters to your home games over the years all spending 10 bucks each in the pre crows era. Happy to take the money then, no questions asked.
Also, how can losing 3000 supporters be good for the SANFL ? I'm not saying give us a handout, just listen and if its a good idea give it a chance to work.

No chance.

In no way do I want any SANFL club to share facilities/administration/medical staff/marketing dept with an AFL club. With the addition of receiving the same amount of dividends from the AFL club. The fact is it is simply not fair to the other 8 SANFL clubs.[/quote]
what about when Port had to establish a whole new base at Ethelton for 5 years ? Was that fair ? Kill off the maggies UK, and you still wouldnt have ever, and never will beat the maggies in a GF. Port V Central in a GF at AAMI, then you'd fill it.

[CUTTERMAN]

Drifter, you sound like you write for the Advertiser and drink a cuppa on Henley Beach Road. I don't care who you are but, if you want to be taken seriously with your comments then at least be up front from the outset. Don't hide in the shadows.

[spell_check]

And those bloody Eagles supporters and their quoting again!

[Apachebulldog]

Beenreal the Port Adelaide magpies did not give a damn about the SANFLwhen it put a knife through its heart and forced the creation the Crows back in 1990. The Port Adelaide magpies did not give a toss about the SANFL when they joined the AFL as the Power, they decimated themselves, i and many others have no sympathy for them.

The only way to get yourselves out of this mess to find a lot of good sponsors, try and get your supporters back which will not happen as they cannot afford to follow two teams or finally call it a day and finish them up.

You talk of fairness there was no fairness for Woodviile Peckers,West Torrens when they folded up, also when Sturt and North nearly folded up, no fairness in Central's first forty years in the comp, trying to compete against the finacially strong bully boys in the comp every thing was against but we survived we done it the hard way.

So just toughen up and fix the mess your club has created.

[am Bays]

Drifter ask yourself the question was it fair that SANFL clubs had to adapt in 18 weeks to the formation of the Crows when port magpies had 18 months to adapt to the formation of the Power?? This when clubs were coming out of the late 80s debt bubble, and projected revenue streams based on a planned entry into the AFL in 1993 by an SANFL were suddenly reduced???

Don't forget Port wouldn't be anything without the rest of the competition too. Yes you sent fans our way but I remember being in 12 000 plus crowds at Alberton Oval when the Bays played their in the late 70s and early 80s. Bays fans parting with their hard earned for your bar and food prices. Same as Norwood, Sturt, Torrens and North fans...

So it is very rich of Port people to expect the events of 1990 to be forgotten when other SANFL clubs had to tighten the belt and survive or in the case of two clubs merge, soon as it gets hard for Port the hand goes out...

A week ago I wanted the Magpies to survive as they are intrinsically linked to the fabric of the SANFL and all that I hold so dear about the best footy competition in the land. However when I think rationally what's best for my club and the SANFL competition I think:

1. An SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs being divided by 8 instead of nine = more $$$ for my club and the others
2. An 8 team 21 game a year season = 21 home games for my club over two years compared to 20 homes games over two years as it is now = more $$$ for my club or at least break even.
3. Non SANFL based AFL players being distributed across 8 clubs instead of 9 more chances for my club to get quality players (hopefully we are always in the top four at least so we miss out anyway )
4. No artificially stronger SANFL club (or clubs make no mistake the Crows will want this too, in time) loaded with AFL players with an unfair advantage as witnessed in the WAFL 14 years ago.
5. with a reduction in SANFL clubs an increase in my clubs recruiting zone - people of the Leferve penisnula get ready for your young guns to start wearing Blue Gold and Green (can't play for the Power unless they at least play SANFL), Westies will get back some of their old western suburbs zone and North will get back some territory West of prospect Rd.

Whilst a part of me will miss not having Port in the competition and for diehard Magpies fans on here such as No-Mercy, Pipers, Booney, GWW, Macca19, and Magpiespower I will feel for them that something they hold so dear and have grown up with has been taken away, the reality is the SANFL competion will survive if the Magpies fall over.

The other unmistakable reality is this mess is Ports own making as one astute commentator on here said Port made the decision to live by the sword, they may well have to die by it. Port people may not want to admit it but the sword that could well deliver the fatal blow to the Magpies will be the one un-sheathed by Bruce Webber.

Port people may accuse me of being self serving and narrow minded in this post and yep probably I am, maybe a little bit of the Port Adelaide that Chocco tried to instill at the Bay in 1993-94 is starting to come out in me....

[Jimmy]

I dont mind if the Maggies go under because their proposal isnt any good or a win for both them or the other 8 clubs. What gets me is when small minded people base it on something that happened 20 years ago, or because their team at the time couldnt stand the heat of a Grand Final, namely Glenelg, North, Centrals,Eagles etc etc and they hate Port because they were good.
Maybe North just want them to go under so they can pick at the bones of the leftover Maggies with their slush fund ?
They go on about when they were broke. Dont forget the times Port supporters sent 10,000 supporters to your home games over the years all spending 10 bucks each in the pre crows era. Happy to take the money then, no questions asked.
Also, how can losing 3000 supporters be good for the SANFL ? I'm not saying give us a handout, just listen and if its a good idea give it a chance to work.

No chance.

In no way do I want any SANFL club to share facilities/administration/medical staff/marketing dept with an AFL club. With the addition of receiving the same amount of dividends from the AFL club. The fact is it is simply not fair to the other 8 SANFL clubs.

It's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

you have got to be kidding with this post... Port made its bed, now lie in it!!

[zipzap]

Drifter ask yourself the question was it fair that SANFL clubs had to adapt in 18 weeks to the formation of the Crows when port magpies had 18 months to adapt to the formation of the Power?? This when clubs were coming out of the late 80s debt bubble, and projected revenue streams based on a planned entry into the AFL in 1993 by an SANFL were suddenly reduced???

Don't forget Port wouldn't be anything without the rest of the competition too. Yes you sent fans our way but I remember being in 12 000 plus crowds at Alberton Oval when the Bays played their in the late 70s and early 80s. Bays fans parting with their hard earned for your bar and food prices. Same as Norwood, Sturt, Torrens and North fans...

So it is very rich of Port people to expect the events of 1990 to be forgotten when other SANFL clubs had to tighten the belt and survive or in the case of two clubs merge, soon as it gets hard for Port the hand goes out...

A week ago I wanted the Magpies to survive as they are intrinsically linked to the fabric of the SANFL and all that I hold so dear about the best footy competition in the land. However when I think rationally what's best for my club and the SANFL competition I think:

1. An SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs being divided by 8 instead of nine = more $$$ for my club and the others
2. An 8 team 21 game a year season = 21 home games for my club over two years compared to 20 homes games over two years as it is now = more $$$ for my club or at least break even.
3. Non SANFL based AFL players being distributed across 8 clubs instead of 9 more chances for my club to get quality players (hopefully we are always in the top four at least so we miss out anyway )
4. No artificially stronger SANFL club (or clubs make no mistake the Crows will want this too, in time) loaded with AFL players with an unfair advantage as witnessed in the WAFL 14 years ago.
5. with a reduction in SANFL clubs an increase in my clubs recruiting zone - people of the Leferve penisnula get ready for your young guns to start wearing Blue Gold and Green (can't play for the Power unless they at least play SANFL), Westies will get back some of their old western suburbs zone and North will get back some territory West of prospect Rd.

Whilst a part of me will miss not having Port in the competition and for diehard Magpies fans on here such as No-Mercy, Pipers, Booney, GWW, Macca19, and Magpiespower I will feel for them that something they hold so dear and have grown up with has been taken away, the reality is the SANFL competion will survive if the Magpies fall over.

The other unmistakable reality is this mess is Ports own making as one astute commentator on here said Port made the decision to live by the sword, they may well have to die by it. Port people may not want to admit it but the sword that could well deliver the fatal blow to the Magpies will be the one un-sheathed by Bruce Webber.

Port people may accuse me of being self serving and narrow minded in this post and yep probably I am, maybe a little bit of the Port Adelaide that Chocco tried to instill at the Bay in 1993-94 is starting to come out in me....

Great post

[baysman]

Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income etc etc etc

Think of how much Glenelg and North lost when the AFL ( aka VFL ) virus infiltrated SA in 1991 ? Yup.....been there, done that !

[beenreal]

Beenreal the Port Adelaide magpies did not give a damn about the SANFLwhen it put a knife through its heart and forced the creation the Crows back in 1990. The Port Adelaide magpies did not give a toss about the SANFL when they joined the AFL as the Power, they decimated themselves, i and many others have no sympathy for them.

The only way to get yourselves out of this mess to find a lot of good sponsors, try and get your supporters back which will not happen as they cannot afford to follow two teams or finally call it a day and finish them up.

You talk of fairness there was no fairness for Woodviile Peckers,West Torrens when they folded up, also when Sturt and North nearly folded up, no fairness in Central's first forty years in the comp, trying to compete against the finacially strong bully boys in the comp every thing was against but we survived we done it the hard way.

So just toughen up and fix the mess your club has created.

What a bunch of cliches'. Let's punish the Magpies for what the Power did. Typical misguided thinking that emanates from SANFL headquarters down.

Points of order:
The magpies have good sponsors.
The Magpies lead the competition in attendance and Memberships.
But these days that is not enough. What they do not have is their own gaming and function club revenue, which is where the REAL $$ comes from.

And don't talk to me about Woodville, they should never have been shoehorned in the West Torrens/ Port Adelaide zone anyway. As for Sturt? I donated.

[Apachebulldog]

Beenreal i am not punishing the magpies they cut their own throat many years ago in hindsight and i have said this many times on this forum they should of all gone across to the AFL back in 1996 and you would not have this situation of a split club,split supporters who do not where to belong, no clubrooms and no money and the way its going i cannot see the Power surviving either as they are struggling financially.

[Apachebulldog]

Forgot to mention well said Am Bays.

[topsywaldron]

What they (Magpies) do not have is their own gaming and function club revenue

Don't you get gaming revenue from the Prince of Wales?

By the way, remind me of the allowances the Magpies and the SANFL made to Norwood while their gaming machines sat unused for nearly four years. Point out to me the help those organisations provided while we went through nearly every court in the state to move our machines and then I may have one skerrick of sympathy.

(Incidentally Anthony Francis is a legend. )