AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Strawb]

Lol. You are kidding right.

No I am not. The VFL side is there to win and win premierships. Both sides will train together at times but they are treated as two different teams. The system at Geelong and how they develop players into playing AFL is what most AFL teams would love. Look at the recent success down in Geelong 3 AFL and 2 VFL premierships since 2007. Can't get any better than that.

[The Sleeping Giant]

You are dreaming if you think Brad Scott has no say in where Geelong listed players play etc in the vfl side.

[therisingblues]

Pretty simple, leave the system as it is. A load of rubbish that the afl listed players would benefit from the proposal. It would also make it tough for the sanfl clubs with the impact of "top up players".

The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development.

What used to happen isn't relevant, it's what is happening now that counts.

So basically you're admitting that this shit shower is all Port's fault? After all if Port weren't trying to put together a reserves side in the SANFL through the back door the Crows wouldn't be pushing for the same.
Your second argument hardly rebutts anything, sjt wants to leave things "as they are".
Who said anything about "used to"? You made that up.
Try and stay on topic buddy.

[SDK]

" The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development. "


The Crows AND Port ! Both clubs have the same control.
For example Hinkley can ASK Bassett where to play Thomas and Sanderson can ASK Bassett where to play Grigg. Once the game starts Bassett ( or any other coach ) will move these players around like chess pieces.
An AFL player will generally play in a similar position in the SANFL. Will Callahan play as a ruckman ???? The only SANFL coach who refused to be told was Neil Craig when he coached Norwood. Since then we hardly hear a complaint and it work well.
It only started to fail as a system when Port decided they needed ONE CLUB, once again through the back door ! No talk of a Crows reserve team until then.

[Reddeer]

Pity we have so many idiots in the media pushing their own warped ideas on tthis

[Wedgie]

You are dreaming if you think Brad Scott has no say in where Geelong listed players play etc in the vfl side.

I think you're dreaming if you think the North Melbourne coach has any say on where Geelong players play in the VFL.

[dedja]

Mum passes the messages over to Chris ...

[kickinit]

" The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development. "


The Crows AND Port ! Both clubs have the same control.
For example Hinkley can ASK Bassett where to play Thomas and Sanderson can ASK Bassett where to play Grigg. Once the game starts Bassett ( or any other coach ) will move these players around like chess pieces.
An AFL player will generally play in a similar position in the SANFL. Will Callahan play as a ruckman ???? The only SANFL coach who refused to be told was Neil Craig when he coached Norwood. Since then we hardly hear a complaint and it work well.
It only started to fail as a system when Port decided they needed ONE CLUB, once again through the back door ! No talk of a Crows reserve team until then.

wasn't it the other 8 clubs that voted yes to the one club deal?

[The Sleeping Giant]

" The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development. "


The Crows AND Port ! Both clubs have the same control.
For example Hinkley can ASK Bassett where to play Thomas and Sanderson can ASK Bassett where to play Grigg. Once the game starts Bassett ( or any other coach ) will move these players around like chess pieces.
An AFL player will generally play in a similar position in the SANFL. Will Callahan play as a ruckman ???? The only SANFL coach who refused to be told was Neil Craig when he coached Norwood. Since then we hardly hear a complaint and it work well.
It only started to fail as a system when Port decided they needed ONE CLUB, once again through the back door ! No talk of a Crows reserve team until then.

wasn't it the other 8 clubs that voted yes to the one club deal?

For admin purposes only.

[kickinit]

" The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development. "


The Crows AND Port ! Both clubs have the same control.
For example Hinkley can ASK Bassett where to play Thomas and Sanderson can ASK Bassett where to play Grigg. Once the game starts Bassett ( or any other coach ) will move these players around like chess pieces.
An AFL player will generally play in a similar position in the SANFL. Will Callahan play as a ruckman ???? The only SANFL coach who refused to be told was Neil Craig when he coached Norwood. Since then we hardly hear a complaint and it work well.
It only started to fail as a system when Port decided they needed ONE CLUB, once again through the back door ! No talk of a Crows reserve team until then.

wasn't it the other 8 clubs that voted yes to the one club deal?

For admin purposes only.

made before they voted they should of put something in place to stop port from doing it.

[wild dog]

What abuse? What do you call a person who makes selfish moronic statements then?

I have to say you Port Adelaide people (go read your own forum TPFP) have nothing but self interest in this debate as you have shown since you tried to back door the SANFL back in 1990 yet you expect us not to respond to defend our own turf! Again that just underlines what most of us non Port people think - your selfish, self serving and self centred!

What you forget is that your club came from the SANFL and no matter how much you think you are owed because of your crowds and dominance over the journey, the League was for decades 8 clubs then then 10 clubs for 4 decades not a one club league of Port Adelaide alone as you would have us believe. All of our clubs contributed not just the PAFC. Is that not too hard a concept to get your selfish little minds around?

FFS no wonder we hate you and your PAFC arrogance - you are your own worst enemies at times to be honest!

What a pearler. Where is the standing ovation smiley. Yep Port people still act as though they are winners and not being propped up by the organisation that they now hate, and cuddling up to the Vics for protection. It used to be so easy being a Port supporter, knowing that in a bad year you would still finish in the top 5 and have massive crowds turn up no matter. With all of that success to the financial failure that they have now become, they demonstrate a moral bankruptcy in line with their financial status.

The public statements from both AFL clubs shows the care for the organisation that bankrolled and created them is non existent Their attitude is hurry up and give us an answer, because we want this reserves team and we don't care what happens to your crappy second rate SANFL premiership. From my perspective the union between the SANFL organisation and the SA AFL clubs has diminished to such an extent that the AFL clubs are publically displaying zero respect. Why do we not have one statement from them indicating some empathy with what the SANFL clubs are facing. Its a disgusting situation and if the SANFL does die, individuals such as Sanderson and Harper should know their place in it.

I was happy with the status quo but after reading this latest round of crud Im with the NO AFL IN THE SANFL.

[The Sleeping Giant]

" The "system" isn't going to work if it leave the Crows as the only AFL side without direct control over their players development. "


The Crows AND Port ! Both clubs have the same control.
For example Hinkley can ASK Bassett where to play Thomas and Sanderson can ASK Bassett where to play Grigg. Once the game starts Bassett ( or any other coach ) will move these players around like chess pieces.
An AFL player will generally play in a similar position in the SANFL. Will Callahan play as a ruckman ???? The only SANFL coach who refused to be told was Neil Craig when he coached Norwood. Since then we hardly hear a complaint and it work well.
It only started to fail as a system when Port decided they needed ONE CLUB, once again through the back door ! No talk of a Crows reserve team until then.

wasn't it the other 8 clubs that voted yes to the one club deal?

For admin purposes only.

made before they voted they should of put something in place to stop port from doing it.

The clubs voted the one club deal in for admin purposes only. Are you saying port can't be trusted?

[Aerie]

The SANFL could compete with AFL reserves if they can afford to pay players more and increase the salary cap. That is why I am interested to see what is going to happen with the finances from the AFL licenses, Football Park and SMA. If a player isn't good enough for the AFL, the SANFL needs to be the place they want to play.

It is obvious the AFL hierarchy want their clubs to be as strong as possible, but it is not obvious to me that the SANFL admin want the SANFL clubs to be as strong as possible.

[kickinit]

The clubs voted the one club deal in for admin purposes only. Are you saying port can't be trusted?

No the point is that you can't blame port for doing what they have done. there isn't any rules in place to stop them from doing what they have done, if the sanfl cared they would put something in place to stop them from what they are doing. So if anyone wants to have a cry about Port's one club blame the SANFL or blame your own club for voting it in.

[whufc]

The clubs voted the one club deal in for admin purposes only. Are you saying port can't be trusted?

No the point is that you can't blame port for doing what they have done. there isn't any rules in place to stop them from doing what they have done, if the sanfl cared they would put something in place to stop them from what they are doing. So if anyone wants to have a cry about Port's one club blame the SANFL or blame your own club for voting it in.

Ummmmm yeah you can,

they gave the 8 other clubs their word that it was only to be used for administration purposes, the SANFL made it clear they would only vote one club in based on that.

I think a person/clubs word would mean more than any rule.

[The Sleeping Giant]

I'm sure there are rules in place. The players port have managed to get back to the magpies, are ones that clubs have deemed not worth paying the transfer fee for, and because the magpies are down near the bottom of the table. Only club that is going to pay for players like Butcher, Newton and Young is the magpies. Players like Moore, Stewert, Stewart, Salter etc will never be at the magpies, as they are deemed good enough to play sanfl league footy. Of course next year, all the clubs get to pick port players again in the mini draft.

[SDK]

The Crows and Power need the SANFL clubs to vote it in ( assume a 2/3 majority ) and it looks a no go from that point of view.
My main concern is some under the table cash deals to buy votes. For example Sturt would prefer an SANFL with Port and Crows rather than extinction.
I believe that all SANFL clubs should come out now and tell their members how they will vote and guarintee in writing what that vote will be. The members can then object or call an extaordinary general meeting if need be. This decision is the biggest in history and the boards do not have a mandate to vote without members approval.

[The Sleeping Giant]

The Crows and Power need the SANFL clubs to vote it in ( assume a 2/3 majority ) and it looks a no go from that point of view.
My main concern is some under the table cash deals to buy votes. For example Sturt would prefer an SANFL with Port and Crows rather than extinction.
I believe that all SANFL clubs should come out now and tell their members how they will vote and guarintee in writing what that vote will be. The members can then object or call an extaordinary general meeting if need be. This decision is the biggest in history and the boards do not have a mandate to vote without members approval.

A couple of clubs have already said no chance under any circumstances, but as has been said, you can't expect all the clubs to say yes or no before they see what is proposed.

[SDK]

OK what will your club most likely do ? Copy, paste and edit this .....

Centrals : No
Glenelg
North : No
Norwood : No
South
Sturt
West

[The Sleeping Giant]

You are dreaming if you think Brad Scott has no say in where Geelong listed players play etc in the vfl side.

I think you're dreaming if you think the North Melbourne coach has any say on where Geelong players play in the VFL.

I knew I would get it wrong.