RD10 Sturt v Centrals MATCH REVIEW

[csbowes]

Hmmm... seems to be a lot of whinging etc now from Centrals supporters about that one incident. Geez, I don't think any side has Jesus and his cohorts in it, every team commits fouls outside the rules and/or spirit of the game.

The Gowans do dodgy stuff, we all know that, but they aren't alone, heaps of players do things to bend the rules or get advantage, lets not crucify them as something of an anomaly, they're not.

... and we should balance those dodgy things they do against the terrific things they do as footballers.

C'mon people, some perspective.

My only quip here will be on the "we only had 16 fit players", well no one cares, North Melbourne finished with no rotations but they tried to win, Centrals might have been in the same boat, but they gave up and got flogged.

The attitude was totally different.

[sjt]

I'm not overly fussed by yesterdays result. I will be if we miss out on a top three spot by percentage though. Having a reduced bench obviously impacted on the margin but not the result. Central couldn't play much worse, perhaps Sturt not much better.
I'd be interested (but too lazy to research it myself) how the dogs have performed in June over the last 10 years.
Sturt obviously deserved the win and should be very happy with the margin, and proud of the two points and confident going forward. I would be if the tables were turned.
But, I have to say "Purch", to start bagging the Gowans after you must have only seen them once this year is laughable. I'd guess both would be in the top 10 of our B & F so far this year, in a team that has lost two games. To not realise James wasn't even on the ground for over three quarters doesn't add much to your credibility. Anyway, too old too slow you think ? Me thinks deja vous.

[lesthemechanic]

A few observations/questions in all seriousness about the game
I am sure Roy Laird will not be writing that result off quite as willingly as some supporters on here , June or not. I expected a Dogs win in a close game. There would have to be some concern in all seriousness. It needs a big turnaround at Elizabeth later in the season & Roy , if he is as good a coach as I think he is, would be concerned.

Sturt will not get it that easy again either, that would have to hurt the pride of the Centrals players. They did not come out before that game to play so poorly, very out of character for the Bulldogs. I was stunned , it just didn't look like Centrals we were playing. No pressure was being applied, in truth, Norwood applied more pressure on our ball carriers last week ( probably the only thing they did do right though ! )

It has been stated on here that Centrals had only 16 fit players by half time. There are only 3 injuries listed in todays newspaper. What were the other 2 ? ( I don't think cuts that were bandaged up count as making a player unfit to play unless they can't return ). How long term are the injuries to J Gowans, Sibenaler & Hardy , because I think they are really going to hurt Centrals vs North if they are not fit for that one.

Sturt fans ....bask in the glory of a good win over the team that has been the yardstick of the comp. for ages, but there is a long way to go this season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The goal should now be to aim for a double chance at the end of the season , and that is still a lot of work away yet.

By the way, look out North , I think they will see an angry Centrals team in 2 weeks....wouldn't want to be in their shoes, trying to inflict a 3rd straight defeat on the Bulldogs.

[Grahaml]

Les, we don't put all the injuries into the report is why. In fact, several squad members often are hurt for weeks, but not put into the paper. And I suspect the club only puts in the ones that may result in a player missing games. A game ending injury that won' result in the player missing the next game doesn't seem to get published. The other thing is several players in every team (I'd be amazed if Ben Nelson was 100%) have some injuries they are carrying. How we deal with those injuries will be important as the season goes on. The ones that hurt most were Sibenaler and Hardy. Gowans hurts the midfield rotations but we always have one on the bench anyway, so it might have hurt the legs at the end of quarters a little but I doubt that makes a big difference. Hardy and Sibenaler have no involvement in any rotations, so in a close game, losing one (or both!) and then finding Chambers or another key forward hurts in a 5 minute patch it might come home to roost. As it was with the supply coming through the middle we could have had Scarlett and Rutten there and he'd have kicked goals!

[dedja]

Where's CP with his deckchair and esky full of pale when you you need it? ... this is definitely going to take a while.

I'm not complaining, no-one is posting to the other match review from Monday ... happy to sit back and watch these two teams (& supporters) slug it out while we slip under the radar

[Grahaml]

Hmmm... seems to be a lot of whinging etc now from Centrals supporters about that one incident. Geez, I don't think any side has Jesus and his cohorts in it, every team commits fouls outside the rules and/or spirit of the game.

The Gowans do dodgy stuff, we all know that, but they aren't alone, heaps of players do things to bend the rules or get advantage, lets not crucify them as something of an anomaly, they're not.

... and we should balance those dodgy things they do against the terrific things they do as footballers.

C'mon people, some perspective.

My only quip here will be on the "we only had 16 fit players", well no one cares, North Melbourne finished with no rotations but they tried to win, Centrals might have been in the same boat, but they gave up and got flogged.

The attitude was totally different.

Actually, North Melbourne got flogged when they got those injuries. I think you'll find most dogs fans are saying we were getting flogged and then to make it worse we copped a few injuries on top of that. No doubt we would have copped it with 21 fit players. I couldn't imagine up getting much closer than 10 goals even with a fully fit squad.

But let's be honest, there's not anyone "whinging" about the incident, just speculation about what might happen. This is something very new for this comp so we don't know what might happen. Given the game has little to talk about, we're left to talk about something that could range from the kid getting nothing at all, to perhaps a 6 week ban. It all depends on how serious the SANFL think it is. We make players go off when they're bleeding now, and make people remove any clothing with blood on it. If it's not anything to be worried about, it begs the question of why Gowans had to leave the ground and change his guernsey. We have the rule, IMHO, to safeguard the very, very slight chance of players picking up blood borne disease. It's well established the likelihood is remote, but the impact of that very, very slight chance occuring is potentially massive.

And you're right, everyone does "dodgy" stuff if you define what the Gowans do as Dodgy. But I'll tell you right now nothing they do is worse than anything Russell Ebert used to do. The Gowans pay a price for some of their antics, often (IMHO) giving away posession or 25 when it perhaps wasn't there on their reputation (like the 2005 grand final). Very little of what they do results in reports or suspensions and they rarely hurt anyone now like they did early on when few tackled with that ferocity. Now it's commonplace for hard tackles.

[BL&G_Ump]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200207/s608828.htm
Tribunal suspends Buckley for blood wiping

Smith...

[dedja]

And you're right, everyone does "dodgy" stuff if you define what the Gowans do as Dodgy. But I'll tell you right now nothing they do is worse than anything Russell Ebert used to do.

[Adelaide Hawk]

And you're right, everyone does "dodgy" stuff if you define what the Gowans do as Dodgy. But I'll tell you right now nothing they do is worse than anything Russell Ebert used to do.

Well may you be shocked dedja, that comment was a beauty. I think somebody is viewing his players through rose coloured glasses

[Dogwatcher]

Graham, please provide some background into your comments about Ebert.....

[Big Phil]

It has been stated on here that Centrals had only 16 fit players by half time. There are only 3 injuries listed in todays newspaper. What were the other 2 ? ( I don't think cuts that were bandaged up count as making a player unfit to play unless they can't return ). How long term are the injuries to J Gowans, Sibenaler & Hardy , because I think they are really going to hurt Centrals vs North if they are not fit for that one.

Les, apart from the 3 obvious injured players (J.Gowans, Y.Sibenaler & J.Hardy) injured early in the game, another player to cop a very heavy knock was Scott Dutschke.

This bloke is as tough as nails and probably the hardest (and most couragous) player in the league and he actually landed quite heavily on what looked to be his back or shoulder. There was some talk earlier in the year he had stress fractures in his back and after the particular incident, in which he took a little while to recover and get back to his feet, was proppy at the next few contests.

The other player, I believe, may have been Kyle Jenner who also copped a heavy knock. I did see him in the hands of the trainers a couple of times and while both players mentioned did not have injuries severe enough to bring them from the field, their effectiveness would have been hindered in some way because of the knocks they took.

The 3rd player who showed signs of a possoble injury was Chris Gowans, who after a heavy tackle, came up grasping the shoulder / neck reigon that he has had trouble with in the past. In saying all that, I have no doubt that most, if not all, of the Centrals players would have come away from that game yesterday with sore spots, thanks largely to the intesity and toughness that Sturt played the game.

[dedja]

Graham, please provide some background into your comments about Ebert.....

can't wait for the answer ...

[purch]

But, I have to say "Purch", to start bagging the Gowans after you must have only seen them once this year is laughable. I'd guess both would be in the top 10 of our B & F so far this year, in a team that has lost two games. To not realise James wasn't even on the ground for over three quarters doesn't add much to your credibility. Anyway, too old too slow you think ? Me thinks deja vous.

The Gowans were not sighted except for the obligatory dummy spit and "I'm gonna tell my mummy on you umpire" moment although I think J. Gowans went off in the first half with a leg injury of some sort. A pity, as I was looking forward to them having a bitch slap with each other again in the 2nd half..

Get your facts straight sjt. That doesn't add much to your credibillity now does it? Go back to my post and tell me where I mentioned too old and too slow.

I have been watching the Gowans go round for the best part of a decade sjt. And I shall reserve the right to bag any oppostion player that spits the dummy like they do when they're losing (esp. James). Well come to think of it they can even spit it when they're winning too. Great players, no doubting that. And they have done so much for the CDFC and the SANFL in general, as had been said numerous times before. Can't you see why other supporters love to hate them? It's a combination of their brilliance AND their on field antics. They would not have looked out of place in black and white in the 80s and 90s. In line with that they have helped to bring your club a remarkable run of success. Play on...

[purch]

Given the game has little to talk about,

Well I'm still wondering who that bloke was who Reilly smashed fairly and HARD. Couldn't recognise him with all the blood on his face

[EasyE]

Well I'm still wondering who that bloke was who Reilly smashed fairly and HARD. Couldn't recognise him with all the blood on his face

I find that the numbers on the backs of the guernseys help identify players. Or was the hit SO HARD that it was covered in blood too?

Its a shame that Reilly doesn't play in finals, because a player that tough would be handy in September.

[purch]

Well I'm still wondering who that bloke was who Reilly smashed fairly and HARD. Couldn't recognise him with all the blood on his face

I find that the numbers on the backs of the guernseys help identify players. Or was the hit SO HARD that it was covered in blood too?

Its a shame that Reilly doesn't play in finals, because a player that tough would be handy in September.

Well perhaps I was standing where I couldn't see the number on his back when he came off the ground all I saw was a red face

As for Reilly, it won't bother me and many other Blues fans if he doesn't play for us again this season. He was solid, but his foot skills were off a few times during the game. Great bump though, don't you think?

[Dogwatcher]

Great bump though, don't you think?

Nope, didn't see it
And as I saw nothing of this game, it means it didn't really happen.
Woo hoo! Twisted logic rules again.

[Kahuna]

Well I'm still wondering who that bloke was who Reilly smashed fairly and HARD. Couldn't recognise him with all the blood on his face

The Dog's player was Lee Spurr. Apparently hit hard and fair resulting in a gash to the top of his head.

[purch]

Well I'm still wondering who that bloke was who Reilly smashed fairly and HARD. Couldn't recognise him with all the blood on his face

The Dog's player was Lee Spurr. Apparently hit hard and fair resulting in a gash to the top of his head.

Thanks Kahuna

[Kahuna]

Thanks Kahuna

Sarcasm detector chip out of order,Purch?