CDFC Recruits

[Wedgie]

That's right, CP, but with a team that has won several recent premierships, the back-ending of contracts has to come home to roost soon (no pun intended). Unlikely there are many forward loaded contracts in such a team.

Scenario A

"Come in player A, I know you've just played in a premiership team, but we're reducing your contract payment for next season".

Scenario B

"I've just played in a premiership. I think I deserve a pay rise".

I know which one is closer to the truth

As for list turnover, that's listed on the recruitment thread, so it will be easy to judge.

Or scenario C in which players are willing to get paid slightly less than market value to stay in a successful team with a real shot at another premiership. That happens quite often also.

[UK Fan]

The problem for Central with this is that Ware and Slattery should be well down the player payment scale. However, those with an idea of what one of those players was offered would know that CD are likely to be a long, long way over the cap. Keeping a multi-premiership side under the cap is difficult at the best of times, let alone adding several new players.

Not that the SANFL are interested, they'll just move the goalposts to accommodate Central and others.

At the very least, CD spent up to the cap last year. Therefore let's see what their final recruiting is and if it's feasible.

Dont forget we were suppose to get Todd Grima last year people. Dont just assume.

Anybody else surprised it is Wests fans that keep up bringing up the "salary cap". I have two scenarios for why

a) either west fans have evidence of what every sanfl player gets paid annually.

b) just another lame excuse as to why the West Adelaide Football Club is so inept and has been for the past 5 seasons.

Brother in law would not be a Port fan by any chance R&B ???

[nickname]

What about the scenario that West fans are sick to death of West being outbid for recruits by the same clubs, year in and year out, as these clubs continue to pile up very well-paid players?

As for your option a), every interstate recruit to the SANFL is interviewed by the SANFL regarding their payments.That information tends to leak out so player payments (especially large ones) are quite well known in some circles.

[hawkseye]

What about the scenario we stop using the word scenario?

[Grahaml]

The dogs generally get very, very few high profile recruits to the clubs. Most of our players were lower profile players who made it good, or local products. Ian Callinan is theonly one from the last 5 years that I can remember. As for people casting aspersions on how much we pay our players, I don't worry about it. The reality is they haven't the slightest clue what any of our players might be on.

[topsywaldron]

The reality is they haven't the slightest clue what any of our players might be on.

So when someone is involved in contract negotiations with a player for Club A who then signs with Club B he'd have no idea what they're being paid at Club B?

Form an orderly queue behind me to sell Grahaml the Harbour Bridge.

[Dogwatcher]

I can think of at least two clubs in the past decade - maybe even a third - who generally do go the big name AFL recruit and they seem to have struggled over the past decade.
Interestingly they're quite often the clubs that have been doing the whingeing.

[redandblack]

I'm not sure why legitimate discussion about an important part of our competition is somehow regarded as 'whingeing'. As for UK Fan talking about West fans always bringing up the salary cap, a search of Salary Cap topics shows I've only ever started one out of 22.

That was to bring West's fine for exceeding it to everyone's notice

To think that people don't have any idea of player payments is nonsense. Many posters on here have a fair idea of them, for the very reasons nickname pointed out. A player might move from (say) West to (say) Central and what has been offered to him to shift becomes common knowledge at each Club. A recruit (say from Tassie) might be chased by Central and several other clubs and tells the other clubs their offers don't go anywhere near to matching Central's offer.

The value of different types of recruits is generally reasonably well known. What sought-after recruits finish up being paid by the successful club becomes well known.

Central are in the good position of being able to target just one or two recruits a year and often make sure their offer won't be matched. Good luck to them for managing their situation to be in that position. I have no problem at all with that, as long as the offer is within the competition rules. I find it difficult to see how they continue to outbid all other teams for the recruits they want and still keep a multi-premiership team under the cap. That difficulty is compounded by the fact that West volunteered a cap breach with probably the worst list in the competition a couple of years ago.

Yes, as Wedgie rightly says, players will volunteer to be paid 'slightly' less to kep the team together, but the operative word is 'slightly'.

The reason I always contribute to a salary cap discussion has nothing to do with West. We're sorting our problems out and they certainly have nothing to do with the salary cap. The effect it has on the competition is surely a legitimate topic for discussion, though, no matter who you support.

A level playing field should be just that.

PS: To suggest I have a Port Adelaide brother-in-law is not only incorrect, but grossly defamatory

[Dogwatcher]

I can think of at least two clubs in the past decade - maybe even a third - who generally do go the big name AFL recruit and they seem to have struggled over the past decade.
Interestingly they're quite often the clubs that have been doing the whingeing.

I didn't say you were whingeing.

[redandblack]

No problem, DW, it wasn't directed at you.

[Dutchy]

ever thought that there might be more to recruitment than $$$$?

things like club culture, facilities, off field opportunites, relocation benefits, past team mates at the club, coachs plans for them etc are just as if not more important than the $ for many recruits

to think the $$ talks is a very simplistic view

[Dirko]

to think the $$ talks is a very simplistic view

Unless you're North.....

[wycbloods]

ever thought that there might be more to recruitment than $$$$?

things like club culture, facilities, off field opportunites, relocation benefits, past team mates at the club, coachs plans for them etc are just as if not more important than the $ for many recruits

to think the $$ talks is a very simplistic view

Yes to some of the footballers there is more than $$$$ but to some it is all about $$$$ which is fair enough as it is their career. The same as two employers offering one of us a job with one paying 50k but the boss is a really good bloke and a nice environment or the sh!t boss who is willing to pay you 75k, maybe some of us would take the 50k but i am sure the majority would take the 75k and good on them as don't we all work to live and not live to work.

[UK Fan]

ever thought that there might be more to recruitment than $$$$?

things like club culture, facilities, off field opportunites, relocation benefits, past team mates at the club, coachs plans for them etc are just as if not more important than the $ for many recruits

to think the $$ talks is a very simplistic view

Correct. Where you at Centrals Todd Grima pitch Dutchy.

The reality is they haven't the slightest clue what any of our players might be on.

So when someone is involved in contract negotiations with a player for Club A who then signs with Club B he'd have no idea what they're being paid at Club B?

That is your airtight evidence for proof a club is breaking the salasry cap. That is Absolutely Laughable. That is called heresay not evidence. BigPhil's recruiting rumours have more credibility.

If you West fans want to know why players prefer Centrals over West just ask your old friend now premiership player Charles Slattery.

Question for Norwood fans why did Dylan Pfitzner leaves Centrals for the legs last year . Surely you would not of been offering him more $$$$ would you ???

[Dutchy]

ever thought that there might be more to recruitment than $$$$?

things like club culture, facilities, off field opportunites, relocation benefits, past team mates at the club, coachs plans for them etc are just as if not more important than the $ for many recruits

to think the $$ talks is a very simplistic view

Yes to some of the footballers there is more than $$$$ but to some it is all about $$$$ which is fair enough as it is their career. The same as two employers offering one of us a job with one paying 50k but the boss is a really good bloke and a nice environment or the sh!t boss who is willing to pay you 75k, maybe some of us would take the 50k but i am sure the majority would take the 75k and good on them as don't we all work to live and not live to work.

No I think you are wrong there most will take the good environment, there are plenty examples of that....and to 98% of SANFL footballers footy inst their main income stream therefore it isnt all about $$$

I think South have proven that just chucking $$$ at a player doesnt help either party

[am Bays]

Just remember clubs attract players with two sources of income - what they get for playing footy and their off field employment. So while a package can be $X only part of that would be for playing and as such under the salary cap. Smart clubs try and attract a player with maximum off field $$$ and minimum onfield $$$.

So while a club may rant and rave about being out bid for a player by another club it is conceivable that the winning club was able to negotiate a better off field wage, which is how we got Grima over Centrals. We were able to offer a better off field package which doesn't come under the cap.

Mind you $$$ don't attract the right players with heart and desire to do the little things which has been a hall mark of Centrals success over the last 10 years. The last thing a player is thinking off when it is his turn to win the hard ball or put his body on the line is, "the club is paying me this much so I had better "go"...

[redandblack]

UK fan, you criticise others for using heresay instead of evidence, then use the opinion of a disgruntled player like Charles Slattery as so-called evidence to back up your argument

Players move from every club to every other club. I'd be on very, very safe ground if I guessed that Charles received a very big pay rise to go to Centrals.

Of course players employment packages come into their decision, but too many posters presume that the losing club hasn't already made a very good employment offer.

[UK Fan]

UK fan, you criticise others for using heresay instead of evidence, then use the opinion of a disgruntled player like Charles Slattery as so-called evidence to back up your argument

Players move from every club to every other club. I'd be on very, very safe ground if I guessed that Charles received a very big pay rise to go to Centrals.

Of course players employment packages come into their decision, but too many posters presume that the losing club hasn't already made a very good employment offer.

Charles Slattery stated it had nothing to do with money. He just simply wanted to improve his football. After one week of training with Centrals he knew he made the right decision. After all I doubt football is Charles No.1 source of income. Seeing he is a lawyer based in Melbourne.

I personally dont believe West has had trouble making signings over the years. Its just keeping the quality players at the club that seems to be the problem. But thats just my opinion as an opposition supporter.

[redandblack]

You're right, that's just your opinion. Perhaps a few facts would strengthen it.

Do you really think Charles Slattery, or any player, would really say that money was the main reason for changing clubs? Of course they don't, his greatly increased payment was just a bonus

It might be a good idea not to rely on statements made by disgruntled players from any club.

The debate would be better concentrating on the principle, not individual cases.

[dash61]

You're right, that's just your opinion. Perhaps a few facts would strengthen it.

Do you really think Charles Slattery, or any player, would really say that money was the main reason for changing clubs? Of course they don't, his greatly increased payment was just a bonus

It might be a good idea not to rely on statements made by disgruntled players from any club.

The debate would be better concentrating on the principle, not individual cases.

Im with the Dogs guys here, actually chatted to Slatts and his move was more the chance of success than $$$$, sorry red