AFL Reserves Discussion...

[kickinit]

Struggling to remember all that was said at yesterday's lunch as I got smashed but Bohdan was adament North's position would be against any AFL reserves sides playing in the SANFL.
He had an email from a director in the 90s who was telling him and other directors to fight the good cause and to pass on that a lot of what Keith Thomas and the papers are utter lies.
In the mid 90s the blueprint that EVERY SANFL club agreed upon was that whoever was successful in being the 2nd club in the AFL would withdraw a team from the SANFL and make it an 8 team competition, ie Port Magpies, Norwood would pull out if their arrangement with Sturt failed, the Eagles would pull out if the cartel got up, etc.
It was only Max Basheer and Leigh Whicker and co who wanted the Magpies to have 2 clubs. Hence why things got changed to ensure the clubs have a say in the makeup of the comp in the future, not a couple of goons.

He said clubs had received submissions from the 2 AFL clubs about their possible reserves sides being in the SANFL.
The Crows have provided an extensive report, the Power have provided a 2 page amateur effort that could be bettered by a 5yo in Grade 1.
Port as recently as yesterday one hour into our reserves game continuously treat SANFL clubs with contempt and for them to expect any favours just shows how either ridiculously arrogant they are or how ridiculously incompetent they are, or both which probably is the case.
The Crows will get a fair hearing as they treat the clubs with respect but even then it will be unlikely to get up unless other clubs cave in to financial conditions. Port have got no chance of getting anything up* and can blame their own incompetence and disdain for that, their club members should be ropeable with their club as they're their own worst enemy.

what happened an hour into the reserves game??

Andrew Moore got called up for butcher.

But from what i've been told on this very site, the SANFL clubs don't mind when players come and go.

[Wedgie]

what happened an hour into the reserves game??

They took Andrew Moore out of North's side so we had to pull a ressies player out mid game to make up numbers for our league side.
Our reserves had to play the rest of the match one short and ended up losing by 6 points, a win would have given North top spot.

[kickinit]

3000 extra people what have you been smoking Chapman? Getting that Shonk Trigg (Who should have been sacked)to do the figures again.

Chapman can't be serious can he?

FE, sorry if you've been asked this before, but what impact crowd wise have the alignments had on the WAFL? i.e when Claremont host either Peel or the Royals have the crowds differed a lot from prior years? What has happened to Peel and East Perth home crowds? What about mainstream media coverage?

This is farcical by chapman, he thinks 3,000 might come to a game adding $40,000 to a clubs coffers. Big deal, what if actually its 1500 (more likely)? Are they going to underwrite the gate. Surely it has to be a 3,000 increase over current averages otherwise what's the point.
Chapman says only one page on his report covers the financials, probably because it doesn't make sense or has too many holes in it. The article goes on to say it would add $400,000 to each teams coffers - each team! How? So is this $400,000 from the crows and $400,000 from port. $800,000 total or $7.2mill cost to the afl teams (excluding cost of running a reserves team). Is this on top of any current income? Seems very, very smelly.
They want to join, they have to demonstrate how it will benefit the SANFL. Not guess with out foundation that 3,000 supporters might go to a game. Just an aside, most players appreciate the bye, so no byes is not a significant advantage to the afl clubs destroying our competition. Destroying our competition for potentially no ones benefit doesn't seem a logical risk to take.

Has Chapman actually come out and said this or is it just more crap from Rucci. I might of missed it but I haven't seen anything from the crows or power in relation to crowd figures or money.

[mighty_tiger_79]

thanks, i wasnt aware of that happening

surely there needs to be a cut-off time???? or if the power are unsure about availability of a player dont release them back to the sanfl

[Wedgie]

But from what i've been told on this very site, the SANFL clubs don't mind when players come and go.

Nah you're right, we love having to pull players out mid game to make up numbers for the league game an in the middle of the day.
Bit different to not having them before the season starts and planning and recruiting appropriate to cover it!
I seriously hope you are just a very bad troll or are you just exercising an appropriate level of stupidity and ignorance to get a job administrating Port?
Keith, is that you?

[Booney]

what happened an hour into the reserves game??

They took Andrew Moore out of North's side so we had to pull a ressies player out mid game to make up numbers for our league side.
Our reserves had to play the rest of the match one short and ended up losing by 6 points, a win would have given North top spot.

Moore was good yesterday for Port. If it helped any North side to lose that's just a bonus.

[on the rails]

Well not quite an hour into the game but in the first quarter of the Reserves, the Power called to take Moore from the North team so as a result Ben Williams had to be taken from the 21 who started in the Reserves to play League. Because the game started with the 21 named, North were not allowed to replace Williams so played with only 2 on the bench for 3 and half quarters. Surely those tools at the PAFC could have made the decision earlier even if Moore was not going to end up playing for the Power. That decision shows the selfish contempt and arrogance the c....s at Alberton display to the localk comp. Yet they want us to embrace and accept their Reserves concept - Well KT and Kochie - you can get f....d!

For the record North lost by a goal and whether or not playing one short made the difference is all assumption however 1 player in our Reserves had to keep going on and off despite having an injury because we were playing one short for 95 % of the match.

[Booney]

P.Stewart did his back in the warm up at Footy Park. Port didn't know Moore would be needed until after 12:00.

Its not contempt for the SANFL, just North.

Flattery will get you every where.

[on the rails]

P.Stewart did his back in the warm up at Footy Park. Port didn't know Moore would be needed until after 12:00.

Its not contempt for the SANFL, just North.

Flattery will get you every where.

That's ok our day will come - I will look fwd to the death of the Magpie!

[sjt]

3000 extra people what have you been smoking Chapman? Getting that Shonk Trigg (Who should have been sacked)to do the figures again.

Chapman can't be serious can he?

FE, sorry if you've been asked this before, but what impact crowd wise have the alignments had on the WAFL? i.e when Claremont host either Peel or the Royals have the crowds differed a lot from prior years? What has happened to Peel and East Perth home crowds? What about mainstream media coverage?

This is farcical by chapman, he thinks 3,000 might come to a game adding $40,000 to a clubs coffers. Big deal, what if actually its 1500 (more likely)? Are they going to underwrite the gate. Surely it has to be a 3,000 increase over current averages otherwise what's the point.
Chapman says only one page on his report covers the financials, probably because it doesn't make sense or has too many holes in it. The article goes on to say it would add $400,000 to each teams coffers - each team! How? So is this $400,000 from the crows and $400,000 from port. $800,000 total or $7.2mill cost to the afl teams (excluding cost of running a reserves team). Is this on top of any current income? Seems very, very smelly.
They want to join, they have to demonstrate how it will benefit the SANFL. Not guess with out foundation that 3,000 supporters might go to a game. Just an aside, most players appreciate the bye, so no byes is not a significant advantage to the afl clubs destroying our competition. Destroying our competition for potentially no ones benefit doesn't seem a logical risk to take.

Has Chapman actually come out and said this or is it just more crap from Rucci. I might of missed it but I haven't seen anything from the crows or power in relation to crowd figures or money.

The crowd figure was in quotes from memory, the $40,000 this will result in was not a quote (just in the article). The $4000,000 I don't know where Rucci pulled this from, or if it's a typo or how it's contrived. Just in the article.

[Apachebulldog]

Have given this topic a bit more thought i think the SANFL Commission should wait at least two years to see how the WAFL experiment of the West Coast/East Perth VFL reserves and Femantle/Peel Thunder reserves pans out before making a decision.

Should this ever happen what playing rules will the SANFL adopt the current rules or the bastardised AFL rules.

[Jimmy_041]

what happened an hour into the reserves game??

They took Andrew Moore out of North's side so we had to pull a ressies player out mid game to make up numbers for our league side.
Our reserves had to play the rest of the match one short and ended up losing by 6 points, a win would have given North top spot.

The SANFL clubs aren't innocent either. Some Reserves players train 4 nights per week to be treated like $hite for their $50, only to get a late phone call on Saturday morning to play. Any wonder they run off to the country to get $800 per game

[on the rails]

what happened an hour into the reserves game??

They took Andrew Moore out of North's side so we had to pull a ressies player out mid game to make up numbers for our league side.
Our reserves had to play the rest of the match one short and ended up losing by 6 points, a win would have given North top spot.

The SANFL clubs aren't innocent either. Some Reserves players train 4 nights per week to be treated like $hite for their $50, only to get a late phone call on Saturday morning to play. Any wonder they run off to the country to get $800 per game

True enough - very good point!

[Ian]

That's ok our day will come - I will look fwd to the death of the Magpie!

That wont bother a lot of Power supporters I know, they weren't Magies supporters to start with and don't give a shit whether they survive or not

[kickinit]

Have given this topic a bit more thought i think the SANFL Commission should wait at least two years to see how the WAFL experiment of the West Coast/East Perth VFL reserves and Femantle/Peel Thunder reserves pans out before making a decision.

Should this ever happen what playing rules will the SANFL adopt the current rules or the bastardised AFL rules.

different situation to what is going to happen here.

[kickinit]

But from what i've been told on this very site, the SANFL clubs don't mind when players come and go.

Nah you're right, we love having to pull players out mid game to make up numbers for the league game an in the middle of the day.
Bit different to not having them before the season starts and planning and recruiting appropriate to cover it!
I seriously hope you are just a very bad troll or are you just exercising an appropriate level of stupidity and ignorance to get a job administrating Port?
Keith, is that you?

Hang on I never said I agree with it. I'm just going by what someone has said on this forum. I couldn't think of anything worse then having a player come and go from a team and not even train with them.

[matt1]

Assuming their in the League competition, could we have an A-League type competition?

Ie Play for the 'Plate' throughout the minor round with the AFL Clubs playing for points, then the AFL Clubs dropping out come finals time (if they were in finals calculations) so that the League Clubs could play for the SANFL Premiership?

I don't want to think about it but it seems damage limitation now.

[CENTURION]

Assuming their in the League competition, could we have an A-League type competition?

Ie Play for the 'Plate' throughout the minor round with the AFL Clubs playing for points, then the AFL Clubs dropping out come finals time (if they were in finals calculations) so that the League Clubs could play for the SANFL Premiership?

I don't want to think about it but it seems damage limitation now.

why do they need to play for points AT ALL!!

[kickinit]

Assuming their in the League competition, could we have an A-League type competition?

Ie Play for the 'Plate' throughout the minor round with the AFL Clubs playing for points, then the AFL Clubs dropping out come finals time (if they were in finals calculations) so that the League Clubs could play for the SANFL Premiership?

I don't want to think about it but it seems damage limitation now.

why do they need to play for points AT ALL!!

because the biggest problem everyone has been going on about is keeping the SANFL relevant. If they are in the league comp and play for no points then the SANFL won't be relevant, it will be nothing but another NAB cup. Can you see centrals wanting to play against the crows for no points?

[CENTURION]

No, that's why they should be in the reserves, or just wait a couple of years & join the AFL ressies comp.