Swan Districts AFL protest

[therisingblues]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

You are aware the SANFL and AFL both play Australian Rules Football aren’t you? Generally this means that you have the same rules because it’s the same sport. Do I need to clap that out for you?
That just about takes the cake for the dumbest point ever used to try and win an argument.

Agreed.

[kickinit]

Obviously havent been to the Northern Suburbs often, i worked in vacation care for 5 years and could count less than 5 kids that supported an SANFL team other than Centrals.

Thats the whole point your missing, i have no interest and nor should in going and watching my team strive for 2 points and passionatley supporting them while the opposition supporter next to me couldnt give a rats arse and only knows the 'you wouldnt beat our AFL team line' have been to many VFL games and its the most common line used.

The simplest way i can put to you kickinit, is

i am not willing to watch my league team play against reserves team whose 'main' focus is not about winning and rather developing a player for a completely different league. Especially when is the greed of the AFL.

If thats what i was interested in i would go follow the TAC Cup.

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

So your not a diehard supporter like you make out to be? If my team was playing a game that was worth premiership and if they won would help them make finals and a chance to play in the GF I would support them.

Answer this for me, have you ever gone to watch a trial match?
and what would you do if say centrals and the crows reserve side where playing in a grand final? would you go and support your team? would you celebrate after you won that game?

[kickinit]

You are aware the SANFL and AFL both play Australian Rules Football aren’t you? Generally this means that you have the same rules because it’s the same sport. Do I need to clap that out for you?
That just about takes the cake for the dumbest point ever used to try and win an argument.

I am aware, but WHUFC if he was so against the AFL in SA like he says he would want the SANFl to be purely independent. Which means removing all ties to the AFL. Which would mean the SANFl have their own rule book instead of using a AFL rule book.

[therisingblues]

More than not serving our needs, your club is actively going about destroying our comp, for benefits that may be non-existant, and your attitude is, "Bad luck, that's the way it is!" and the deal isn't even done yet.
Smug.

I dont completely agree with this.

Port are actively seeking a reserves side and are even now, underhandedly doing so without the consent of the other clubs. These moves take away the credibility of the comp and once the games become uncompetitive trial matches, the comp will be destroyed IMO. I may still follow because I love footy but I'd prefer it if Port weren't actively seeking out their reserves side and hence destroying our comp.

[whufc]

Obviously havent been to the Northern Suburbs often, i worked in vacation care for 5 years and could count less than 5 kids that supported an SANFL team other than Centrals.

Thats the whole point your missing, i have no interest and nor should in going and watching my team strive for 2 points and passionatley supporting them while the opposition supporter next to me couldnt give a rats arse and only knows the 'you wouldnt beat our AFL team line' have been to many VFL games and its the most common line used.

The simplest way i can put to you kickinit, is

i am not willing to watch my league team play against reserves team whose 'main' focus is not about winning and rather developing a player for a completely different league. Especially when is the greed of the AFL.

If thats what i was interested in i would go follow the TAC Cup.

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

So your not a diehard supporter like you make out to be? If my team was playing a game that was worth premiership and if they won would help them make finals and a chance to play in the GF I would support them.

Answer this for me, have you ever gone to watch a trial match?
and what would you do if say centrals and the crows reserve side where playing in a grand final? would you go and support your team? would you celebrate after you won that game?

Well considering I have spoken to a port power coaching member who would be involved with the maggies if they were a ressies side and he has told me the sole reason they want the official reserves side is for player development. He was also involved with the nth melb VFL affiliate and said that's exactly what they were about then as well.

If it was just about winning SANFL premierships wouldn't the one club be happy with the set up now, oh wait a sec they want all there players at the magpies for there development.

Yeah nah I'm not a die hard have missed less than 10 games in the last 14 years but hey.

I presume your off to Geelong this weekend and then Darwin the next since your the greatest of all fans.

Like I said give me reasons why it will be good for the SANFL.

At least my argument is using fact from what has happened to two other leagues but hey your guesses that it will be just perfect are right off course.

Have we found the topic yet pullinit doesn't know something about since his such an expert on what SANFL fans need in their comp..... Anyways I'm over this discussion unless I hear about benefits there are for the SANFL other than financial

[LPH]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

You are aware the SANFL and AFL both play Australian Rules Football aren’t you? Generally this means that you have the same rules because it’s the same sport. Do I need to clap that out for you?
That just about takes the cake for the dumbest point ever used to try and win an argument.

Agreed.

x2

WTF sought of argument is that?
Seriously, kickinit you are taking the piss, yeah?
AFL, SANFL, AFLNSW, WAFL, Div 8 Ammos ... "too high'' is "too high", 1 goal = 6pts & 1 behind = 1 point.
Just because fools like Kevin Bartlett set rule changes like the ridiculous "Holding the Ball" rule & reward players who are '2nd to it' for their competition, doesn't mean other leagues (SANFL included) must follow it to 'the letter' - INTERPRETATION is the point of difference, but the game of "Australian Rules Football" is the same. Sheesh...

[CENTURION]

The one thing I have never heard a reasonable answer for is

Why with all it's billions of dollars can't the AFL set up and support an AFL reserves comp and leave the state leagues alone.

If the A-league, NRL, state cricket can do this surely the AFL is in a position to do so. It would also be a great tv filler instead of the foxtel cup.

EXACTLY!

[CENTURION]

give up guys, he's right, you're wrong. It doesn't matter WHAT you say, Kickinit will argue with you.

[UK Fan]

Obviously havent been to the Northern Suburbs often, i worked in vacation care for 5 years and could count less than 5 kids that supported an SANFL team other than Centrals.

Thats the whole point your missing, i have no interest and nor should in going and watching my team strive for 2 points and passionatley supporting them while the opposition supporter next to me couldnt give a rats arse and only knows the 'you wouldnt beat our AFL team line' have been to many VFL games and its the most common line used.

The simplest way i can put to you kickinit, is

i am not willing to watch my league team play against reserves team whose 'main' focus is not about winning and rather developing a player for a completely different league. Especially when is the greed of the AFL.

If thats what i was interested in i would go follow the TAC Cup.

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

KICKINIT

Have you ever heard a crows/power official state they want to join our league so their reserves players can experience the honour of winning a flag in the oldest football league in oz ???,,

Guess why not ????

Until an official states that's the reason they want to join our league.

Guess what I've just proven ??

[PhilH]

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

Because we see how their AFL counterparts in Melbourne treat winning in the VFL.

Many a coach (including SANFL Jack Oatey Medallist Hayden Skipworth when coaching Bendigo Bombers) openly stated that their VFL affiliate winning was secondary to the AFL player's development.

[kickinit]

Obviously havent been to the Northern Suburbs often, i worked in vacation care for 5 years and could count less than 5 kids that supported an SANFL team other than Centrals.

Thats the whole point your missing, i have no interest and nor should in going and watching my team strive for 2 points and passionatley supporting them while the opposition supporter next to me couldnt give a rats arse and only knows the 'you wouldnt beat our AFL team line' have been to many VFL games and its the most common line used.

The simplest way i can put to you kickinit, is

i am not willing to watch my league team play against reserves team whose 'main' focus is not about winning and rather developing a player for a completely different league. Especially when is the greed of the AFL.

If thats what i was interested in i would go follow the TAC Cup.

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

So your not a diehard supporter like you make out to be? If my team was playing a game that was worth premiership and if they won would help them make finals and a chance to play in the GF I would support them.

Answer this for me, have you ever gone to watch a trial match?
and what would you do if say centrals and the crows reserve side where playing in a grand final? would you go and support your team? would you celebrate after you won that game?

Well considering I have spoken to a port power coaching member who would be involved with the maggies if they were a ressies side and he has told me the sole reason they want the official reserves side is for player development. He was also involved with the nth melb VFL affiliate and said that's exactly what they were about then as well.

If it was just about winning SANFL premierships wouldn't the one club be happy with the set up now, oh wait a sec they want all there players at the magpies for there development.

Yeah nah I'm not a die hard have missed less than 10 games in the last 14 years but hey.

I presume your off to Geelong this weekend and then Darwin the next since your the greatest of all fans.

Like I said give me reasons why it will be good for the SANFL.

At least my argument is using fact from what has happened to two other leagues but hey your guesses that it will be just perfect are right off course.

Have we found the topic yet pullinit doesn't know something about since his such an expert on what SANFL fans need in their comp..... Anyways I'm over this discussion unless I hear about benefits there are for the SANFL other than financial

So who is the port power coaching member then? if your going to put it out there name the person instead of "i've heard this"

No i'm not off to Geelong or Darwin as I have work commitments, and please quote me where I state i'm the greatest of all fans. Atleast my reason for not going isn't because my team is playing someone I don't like. If you really did care about your club like you say you do then you would still go and watch them play no matter who they are playing.

Your using facts from a league in a completely different state. I can see the issues if the crows took over a team like strut, there made be some magpies supporters that don't like the power, but really they are one club so if they really had any worries they would of already stopped following. To this point you have still yet given a reason how this will effect your club. And your reason because they might be playing a side that only worries about player development has no weight in the argument, you will still play the other 7 teams and will still play for a flag. And out of the 23 games you'll only have to worry about 3 of them.

And like I asked above will you support centrals in a grandfinal if they play the port or crows reserves side? I'm sure you will which just proves your point is invalid to this argument.

[kickinit]

KICKINIT

Have you ever heard a crows/power official state they want to join our league so their reserves players can experience the honour of winning a flag in the oldest football league in oz ???,,

Guess why not ????

Until an official states that's the reason they want to join our league.

Guess what I've just proven ??

have you ever heard them state the only reason why they want a reserves side is because they want player development and don't give a stuff about the sanfl.

No, looks like you havent proven anything.

[whufc]

Kickinit, you still haven't answered

What are the benefits for the SANFL clubs, apart from financially.

Ill give u some clues as to who I speak to, they have a very very vey famous football name, they came to SA this year, they were involved with the kangas before the power and they play district cricket for Port Adelaide.

[kickinit]

How do you know that the crows and power won't care about winning games? you can't prove they are going to do it so it has no place in a argument.

Because we see how their AFL counterparts in Melbourne treat winning in the VFL.

Many a coach (including SANFL Jack Oatey Medallist Hayden Skipworth when coaching Bendigo Bombers) openly stated that their VFL affiliate winning was secondary to the AFL player's development.

so that means it will automatically happen here?

Say it did happen, does that mean the whole year is ruined because 2 teams don't care about winning. What happens this year say if centrals gets to a spot where they realise that it's impossible for them to make finals and start to play some younger players in the league side to give them a run at the higher level, does that mean all central supporters are going to stop going to go games, does it mean that the opposition supporters will stop going to games.

[whufc]

Kickinit,

1. what non finanacial benefits is there for the SANFL clubs.

2. stop bagging everyone elses evidence when you cant provide nothing more to the table than your guess.

[kickinit]

Kickinit, you still haven't answered

What are the benefits for the SANFL clubs, apart from financially.

Ill give u some clues as to who I speak to, they have a very very vey famous football name, they came to SA this year, they were involved with the kangas before the power and they play district cricket for Port Adelaide.

going on to me I still havent answered, i've asked you the question twice and it's a simple yes or no.

clubs won't have to have players coming and going from there league side to the afl side. clubs won't have to play a player in a certain position because his afl club wants him to play that position. clubs won't have to drop a player that is inform because a afl player is coming back into their side. clubs won't have to play players for half a game only because he is just coming back from injury. And if you don't think they are good enough reasons, then why for many years have we heard these "die hard" sanfl fans complain about it. Now your club gets to go about it's own business without having to worry about what the crows or power want to their players to do.

[kickinit]

Kickinit,

1. what non finanacial benefits is there for the SANFL clubs.

2. stop bagging everyone elses evidence when you cant provide nothing more to the table than your guess.

stop bagging everyone else evidence when mine is only a guess? are you serious?

yes I am having a guess just like everyone else.

[whufc]

Kickinit, you still haven't answered

What are the benefits for the SANFL clubs, apart from financially.

Ill give u some clues as to who I speak to, they have a very very vey famous football name, they came to SA this year, they were involved with the kangas before the power and they play district cricket for Port Adelaide.

going on to me I still havent answered, i've asked you the question twice and it's a simple yes or no.

clubs won't have to have players coming and going from there league side to the afl side. clubs won't have to play a player in a certain position because his afl club wants him to play that position. clubs won't have to drop a player that is inform because a afl player is coming back into their side. clubs won't have to play players for half a game only because he is just coming back from injury. And if you don't think they are good enough reasons, then why for many years have we heard these "die hard" sanfl fans complain about it. Now your club gets to go about it's own business without having to worry about what the crows or power want to their players to do.

You do realise players such as Symes, Callinan actually enjoy coming back to their club when they werent playing for the Crows. And all you are saying could happen when the AFL has its own reserves comp. You also realise the clubs dont mind having these players come back as its a nice reward for the time, money and effort they have put into these players to get them to where they are.

1. No i wont be watching the Dogs against a reserves side in game played for premiership points.

Answer the questions.

[whufc]

Kickinit,

1. what non finanacial benefits is there for the SANFL clubs.

2. stop bagging everyone elses evidence when you cant provide nothing more to the table than your guess.

stop bagging everyone else evidence when mine is only a guess? are you serious?

yes I am having a guess just like everyone else.

no we are using evidence of what has happened to the VFL and Weststar Rules. You are using nothing more than a guess.

what are the benefits.

[kickinit]

Kickinit, you still haven't answered

What are the benefits for the SANFL clubs, apart from financially.

Ill give u some clues as to who I speak to, they have a very very vey famous football name, they came to SA this year, they were involved with the kangas before the power and they play district cricket for Port Adelaide.

going on to me I still havent answered, i've asked you the question twice and it's a simple yes or no.

clubs won't have to have players coming and going from there league side to the afl side. clubs won't have to play a player in a certain position because his afl club wants him to play that position. clubs won't have to drop a player that is inform because a afl player is coming back into their side. clubs won't have to play players for half a game only because he is just coming back from injury. And if you don't think they are good enough reasons, then why for many years have we heard these "die hard" sanfl fans complain about it. Now your club gets to go about it's own business without having to worry about what the crows or power want to their players to do.

You do realise players such as Symes, Callinan actually enjoy coming back to their club when they werent playing for the Crows. And all you are saying could happen when the AFL has its own reserves comp. You also realise the clubs dont mind having these players come back as its a nice reward for the time, money and effort they have put into these players to get them to where they are.

1. No i wont be watching the Dogs against a reserves side in game played for premiership points.

Answer the questions.

I did ask if you would them play for premiership points I asked if you would watch them in a grandfinal, can also add to that yif for some reason you couldn't make it would you celebrate if you did win?

I asnwered your questions above, think you might be having trouble reading today.