Rnd 6 - ANZAC Day - Eagles v Central POST GAME DISCUSSIONS

[goraw]

Perhaps BOTH clubs should do leaflet drops to attract more people ?

Perhaps they should just introduce conscription for Sanfl games.

strippers and free beer more like it!!

[bulldogproud2]

Whilst a crowd of just over 4 000 is not bad for this particular game, there were two factors that stopped it from being higher.
Firstly, the form of the Eagles leading into the game would have discouraged some of their supporters from attending. This certainly seemed to be the case with their supporters being well outnumbered by Central fans.
Secondly the fact that it was not played at Adelaide Oval probably stopped a number of those who attended the march from heading down. It is traditional for many 'diggers' to go to Adelaide Oval for the ANZAC Day clash. These two factors together may have been responsible for anywhere between one thousand and three thousand not attending.
Cheers

[robranisgod]

Whilst a crowd of just over 4 000 is not bad for this particular game, there were two factors that stopped it from being higher.
Firstly, the form of the Eagles leading into the game would have discouraged some of their supporters from attending. This certainly seemed to be the case with their supporters being well outnumbered by Central fans.
Secondly the fact that it was not played at Adelaide Oval probably stopped a number of those who attended the march from heading down. It is traditional for many 'diggers' to go to Adelaide Oval for the ANZAC Day clash. These two factors together may have been responsible for anywhere between one thousand and three thousand not attending.
Cheers

But on the other hand for the first time in a long time it wasn't shown live on TV. Statistics suggest that a live telecast wiill cost between 500 and 1,500 spectators depending on the weather.

[Aerie]

The SANFL match on ANZAC Day was special when all the old servicemen would walk in to Adelaide Oval with their coats and badges after the march. It hasn't been that way for ten years plus and every amateur league/country league is now playing an ANZAC Day game as well as the emergence of the Essendon vs Collingwood blockbuster at the MCG. Plus Adelaide Oval has been out of action for many of the ANZAC Day games in the last 5 years anyway.

There is no doubt there is a special connection with footy played on ANZAC Day but the "blockbuster" that will draw 10,000 plus is no more. If I was the SANFL fixture guy I would schedule a whole round on ANZAC Day with Grand Finalists still playing each other as the main game and a night game featuring some of the big drawing teams Norwood/Port/Sturt provided they didn't play in the GF the year before.

[PhilH]

I think with the TV there would have been quite a few occassional SANFL fans who turned to the ABC TV during the afternoon to check out the game only to get a rude shock that it was not on.

We did advise the non telecast to our members but it is not something that would have receive a lot of promotion leading into the game.

[whufc]

If the game was played at AO would that have meant 20k AO members would have also had free entry to the game!

[Squawk]

Norwood's "problem" is that it is a team that draws crowds, day or night. So the league and many of the clubs all want Norwood playing at times and places that suit everyone else. So as PhilH pointed out, playing Norwood and Port on Anzac Day is seen as a waste of a crowd when you might only get 2,000 more. (4,700 the other week vs 6600 in 2010).

In my book, if you win the flag you earn the right to call yourself Premiers for a year. It's carp to say anyone éarns the right' to play on Anzac Day. They only earn a scheduling preference from the league to play on April 25.

Why not have a GF re-match scheduled in round one?

Funny I didn't see any complaints from you in last years ANZAC day thread about it not being Port you were playing or that it was the Grand Finalists from the previous year. In fact you were very much looking forward to the game...

"Being a grand final re-match and on ANZAC Day, all the ingredients are there for another classic encounter."

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32452&hilit=anzac+day+2011+2011

So which is it? You had no problem with it being the Grand Finalists last year, but this year you have a problem? Make up your mind.

So silence on this particularissue = I had no problem last year? Not so.
I don't see why a Grand Final rematch needs Anzac Day to boost its crowd? It should be a game worthy of a big build up as it is. No club makes the Grand Final and sits back and exclaims that they get to play on Anzac Day the following year. As I said earlier, if you win the GF you get to exclaim that you are Premiers for a whole year afterwards.

The problem is that everyone wants to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche. Its bulldust to say you "earn the right" because you played in the previous year's GF. So the league thinks that the fairest scheduling approach to everyone is for the fixture to schedule a GF rematch. Alternatively, they could schedule it as a game between numbers 1 and 2 on the Stanley Lewis Cup in the previous year (to reward club performance overall); or rotate it every 5 years; or schedule traditional rivals to play on that day; or many other variations I'm sure.

If reigning grand finalists need Anzac Day to boost their crowds for a rematch, then what does that say?
If your club is in the GF, is Anzac Day about reminding everyone else about making it to the GF the previous year? No. You are Premiers for a whole year. That's why a GF crowd in SA always outstrips a Anzac Day rematch.
And if you don't follow Port or Norwood, and they aren't playing on Anzac Day, for the rest of the clubs it's an opportunity to give them the big "F You and all your tradition" when everyone knows that an Anzac Day game between the Port and Norwood will always draw a bigger crowd than any other match could or would.

4,000 is an insult to the league, especially when it is on a Public Holiday that (also) fell on a Wednesday and there is very little competition from other drawcards like shopping, school sport, amateur sport, professional sport etc.

[whufc]

Norwood's "problem" is that it is a team that draws crowds, day or night. So the league and many of the clubs all want Norwood playing at times and places that suit everyone else. So as PhilH pointed out, playing Norwood and Port on Anzac Day is seen as a waste of a crowd when you might only get 2,000 more. (4,700 the other week vs 6600 in 2010).

In my book, if you win the flag you earn the right to call yourself Premiers for a year. It's carp to say anyone éarns the right' to play on Anzac Day. They only earn a scheduling preference from the league to play on April 25.

Why not have a GF re-match scheduled in round one?

Funny I didn't see any complaints from you in last years ANZAC day thread about it not being Port you were playing or that it was the Grand Finalists from the previous year. In fact you were very much looking forward to the game...

"Being a grand final re-match and on ANZAC Day, all the ingredients are there for another classic encounter."

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32452&hilit=anzac+day+2011+2011

So which is it? You had no problem with it being the Grand Finalists last year, but this year you have a problem? Make up your mind.

So silence on this particularissue = I had no problem last year? Not so.
I don't see why a Grand Final rematch needs Anzac Day to boost its crowd? It should be a game worthy of a big build up as it is. No club makes the Grand Final and sits back and exclaims that they get to play on Anzac Day the following year. As I said earlier, if you win the GF you get to exclaim that you are Premiers for a whole year afterwards.

The problem is that everyone wants to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche. Its bulldust to say you "earn the right" because you played in the previous year's GF. So the league thinks that the fairest scheduling approach to everyone is for the fixture to schedule a GF rematch. Alternatively, they could schedule it as a game between numbers 1 and 2 on the Stanley Lewis Cup in the previous year (to reward club performance overall); or rotate it every 5 years; or schedule traditional rivals to play on that day; or many other variations I'm sure.

If reigning grand finalists need Anzac Day to boost their crowds for a rematch, then what does that say?
If your club is in the GF, is Anzac Day about reminding everyone else about making it to the GF the previous year? No. You are Premiers for a whole year. That's why a GF crowd in SA always outstrips a Anzac Day rematch.
And if you don't follow Port or Norwood, and they aren't playing on Anzac Day, for the rest of the clubs it's an opportunity to give them the big "F You and all your tradition" when everyone knows that an Anzac Day game between the Port and Norwood will always draw a bigger crowd than any other match could or would.

4,000 is an insult to the league, especially when it is on a Public Holiday that (also) fell on a Wednesday and there is very little competition from other drawcards like shopping, school sport, amateur sport, professional sport etc.

LOL its simple make the GF and then you can play in the ANZAC day match every club is aware of this at the start of the season. Norwood had two chance last season to be part of ANZAC day and they crumbled bad luck get over it move on.

[Squawk]

I think you're missing the point whufc. Conveniently so.
There's not much point expressing an opinion around here is there when people cant interpret it or respond half sensibly.
If people are largely happy with a 4,000 crowd yesterday, they're easy to please.

[jockey]

I think you're missing the point whufc. Conveniently so.
There's not much point expressing an opinion around here is there when people cant interpret it or respond half sensibly.
If people are largely happy with a 4,000 crowd yesterday, they're easy to please.

The Anzac day match has for years been between the previous years two grand finalists, it is not a given right for Port and Norwood, yes these two clubs because of their followings would draw a bigger crowd, I dont think anyone is disputing that.

But I dare say, whichever sides made the previous years GF would draw a larger crowd on Anzac day than they would on a normal home and away game..and if I am right in surmising the home team still gets the benifits of home match gate takings this system helps all clubs, not just the two super powers.

And finally, if Port and Norwood keep having the same success ( especially Port ) that they have had in the last 10 years for another 10, what sort of supporter base will they have then. A lot of the older supporters who grew up in the golden years of these two clubs would of passed on, and most of the new generation of footy followers follow the Crows or Power, not a SANFL side, in 10/15 years, these two clubs could possibly draw no more than any of the other clubs.

Just my say..

[cennals05]

So silence on this particularissue = I had no problem last year? Not so.
I don't see why a Grand Final rematch needs Anzac Day to boost its crowd? It should be a game worthy of a big build up as it is. No club makes the Grand Final and sits back and exclaims that they get to play on Anzac Day the following year. As I said earlier, if you win the GF you get to exclaim that you are Premiers for a whole year afterwards.

The problem is that everyone wants to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche. Its bulldust to say you "earn the right" because you played in the previous year's GF. So the league thinks that the fairest scheduling approach to everyone is for the fixture to schedule a GF rematch. Alternatively, they could schedule it as a game between numbers 1 and 2 on the Stanley Lewis Cup in the previous year (to reward club performance overall); or rotate it every 5 years; or schedule traditional rivals to play on that day; or many other variations I'm sure.

If reigning grand finalists need Anzac Day to boost their crowds for a rematch, then what does that say?
If your club is in the GF, is Anzac Day about reminding everyone else about making it to the GF the previous year? No. You are Premiers for a whole year. That's why a GF crowd in SA always outstrips a Anzac Day rematch.
And if you don't follow Port or Norwood, and they aren't playing on Anzac Day, for the rest of the clubs it's an opportunity to give them the big "F You and all your tradition" when everyone knows that an Anzac Day game between the Port and Norwood will always draw a bigger crowd than any other match could or would.

4,000 is an insult to the league, especially when it is on a Public Holiday that (also) fell on a Wednesday and there is very little competition from other drawcards like shopping, school sport, amateur sport, professional sport etc.

You seem to be upset that Norwood don’t get some type of recognition for having a bigger following than other teams. Then again I guess all the success that Norwood have had in the last 50 years, having a big following is the only thing you’ve got to hang your hat on.

[sjt]

Norwood's "problem" is that it is a team that draws crowds, day or night. So the league and many of the clubs all want Norwood playing at times and places that suit everyone else. So as PhilH pointed out, playing Norwood and Port on Anzac Day is seen as a waste of a crowd when you might only get 2,000 more. (4,700 the other week vs 6600 in 2010).

In my book, if you win the flag you earn the right to call yourself Premiers for a year. It's carp to say anyone éarns the right' to play on Anzac Day. They only earn a scheduling preference from the league to play on April 25.

Why not have a GF re-match scheduled in round one?

Funny I didn't see any complaints from you in last years ANZAC day thread about it not being Port you were playing or that it was the Grand Finalists from the previous year. In fact you were very much looking forward to the game...

"Being a grand final re-match and on ANZAC Day, all the ingredients are there for another classic encounter."

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32452&hilit=anzac+day+2011+2011

So which is it? You had no problem with it being the Grand Finalists last year, but this year you have a problem? Make up your mind.

So silence on this particularissue = I had no problem last year? Not so.
I don't see why a Grand Final rematch needs Anzac Day to boost its crowd? It should be a game worthy of a big build up as it is. No club makes the Grand Final and sits back and exclaims that they get to play on Anzac Day the following year. As I said earlier, if you win the GF you get to exclaim that you are Premiers for a whole year afterwards.

The problem is that everyone wants to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche. Its bulldust to say you "earn the right" because you played in the previous year's GF. So the league thinks that the fairest scheduling approach to everyone is for the fixture to schedule a GF rematch. Alternatively, they could schedule it as a game between numbers 1 and 2 on the Stanley Lewis Cup in the previous year (to reward club performance overall); or rotate it every 5 years; or schedule traditional rivals to play on that day; or many other variations I'm sure.

If reigning grand finalists need Anzac Day to boost their crowds for a rematch, then what does that say?
If your club is in the GF, is Anzac Day about reminding everyone else about making it to the GF the previous year? No. You are Premiers for a whole year. That's why a GF crowd in SA always outstrips a Anzac Day rematch.
And if you don't follow Port or Norwood, and they aren't playing on Anzac Day, for the rest of the clubs it's an opportunity to give them the big "F You and all your tradition" when everyone knows that an Anzac Day game between the Port and Norwood will always draw a bigger crowd than any other match could or would.

4,000 is an insult to the league, especially when it is on a Public Holiday that (also) fell on a Wednesday and there is very little competition from other drawcards like shopping, school sport, amateur sport, professional sport etc.

Geez, what a load of "carp". You seem to be the only one on this forum that can't grasp the fact and concept that, yes if you participate in the previous years grand final you earn the right and the privilege to play on Anzac Day, not just the right to call yourself Premiers "for the whole year" (as you continuosly point out). If you don't believe all the posters on here, you should contact the SANFL on 8268 2088. It's not about fairness of scheduling, and all those possible alternatives you waffled on about. It is about earning the right to play on Anzac Day.
Just because Norwood might draw bigger crowd does not give them the right or privilege -simple.
Personally, I'd like to see them play at night on Anzac Day against Port for the next 30 years, whilst the previous years grand finalists play the day game.
Next you'll be saying because Norwood can potentially draw a better crowd to the chimney ceremony, their colours should always be there.

[robranisgod]

I personally have always puzzled as to why Norwood has such a good followiing. 5 flags in the past 61 years is nothing extraordinary, it puts them behind Port, Central, Sturt and North for that period of time and there wouldn't be too many people around who would remember their halcyon days of the late 1940s. Even since the beginning of Electorate Football in 1897 Norwood with 16 flags are just in front of North and Sturt. Did the flags in the 1880s develop the huge following?

[whufc]

I think you're missing the point whufc. Conveniently so.
There's not much point expressing an opinion around here is there when people cant interpret it or respond half sensibly.
If people are largely happy with a 4,000 crowd yesterday, they're easy to please.

im happy with 100% crowd increase on what they would have got to this game normally.

as you said why do last years grand finalists need ANZAC day to boost crowds. RIDICULOUS POINT!

Why does this almight greatest ever sporting rivalry Port vs Norwood need ANZAC Day to boost their crowds.

[fish]

ANZAC Day didn't even exist in the 18th century when Norwood won most of their Premierships!

[holden78]

ANZAC Day didn't even exist in the 18th century when Norwood won most of their Premierships!

OOOOH now you've gone and done it, watch this fire the Leggies up

[dedja]

Could it be??? Is that you Holden???

[Dogwatcher]

The problem is that everyone wants to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche. Its bulldust to say you "earn the right" because you played in the previous year's GF.

And there lies the rub, Squawk. Because so many people want to play on Anzac Day because of its symbolism and uniqueness in the Australian psyche, the SANFL has to find a way to satisfy everyone's desires to do so - hence, it has chosen the grand final method of making the decision. And what a brilliant reason - you were the top two sides of the previous year. You earn the right to play in a grand final, which gives you the privilege of playing on the big day.

And no...I'm not going to comment on the merits of Collingwood and Essendon playing on the big day every year

[smac]

I think you're missing the point whufc. Conveniently so.
There's not much point expressing an opinion around here is there when people cant interpret it or respond half sensibly.
If people are largely happy with a 4,000 crowd yesterday, they're easy to please.

I think you're missing the point.

Been a long time since Norwood were nought but shit. Will be a long time since Norwood are but shit.

Adjust.

You should have already, but if you haven't... Adjust.

[Squawk]

5,820 at Glenelg v Sturt
5,021 for Norwood v North.