2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Mic » Tue May 15, 2012 10:04 pm

dedja wrote:so it obviously was a bitch slap then?

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As our captain he should have done that to a few of our players on Saturday.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby southee » Tue May 15, 2012 10:10 pm

Big Phil wrote:
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Jim05 wrote:Jimmy was always going to get off.
It avoids the embarassment to the SANFL when he wins the Magarey by 20, easier for them to chuck it out and move on.
Ferguson also not guilty


Exactly !!! A waste of time really even if he was guilty :roll:


By the sounds of it, he was gulity of 'an open hand push to the chest' of Kulikowski so justice seems to have prevailed. There would be heaps of open hand pushes to the chest of players during the course of a game.


A open hand is more powerful than a fist and can do some major damage to someone.... Just ask any martial art expert ( just saying) ;)
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby robranisgod » Tue May 15, 2012 10:42 pm

Big Phil wrote:
southee wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Jimmy was always going to get off.
It avoids the embarassment to the SANFL when he wins the Magarey by 20, easier for them to chuck it out and move on.
Ferguson also not guilty


Exactly !!! A waste of time really even if he was guilty :roll:


By the sounds of it, he was gulity of 'an open hand push to the chest' of Kulikowski so justice seems to have prevailed. There would be heaps of open hand pushes to the chest of players during the course of a game.

I can give you the names of 10 people, both North and Port supporters who have told me that it was an open handed push to the chest, yet the umpire from thirty metres away deemed it to be a strike.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Jim05 » Tue May 15, 2012 11:05 pm

robranisgod wrote:
Big Phil wrote:
southee wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Jimmy was always going to get off.
It avoids the embarassment to the SANFL when he wins the Magarey by 20, easier for them to chuck it out and move on.
Ferguson also not guilty


Exactly !!! A waste of time really even if he was guilty :roll:


By the sounds of it, he was gulity of 'an open hand push to the chest' of Kulikowski so justice seems to have prevailed. There would be heaps of open hand pushes to the chest of players during the course of a game.

I can give you the names of 10 people, both North and Port supporters who have told me that it was an open handed push to the chest, yet the umpire from thirty metres away deemed it to be a strike.

Spot on, if the umpire cant tell the differance between a punch and a push what hope does he have of getting any decisions correct.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby on the rails » Wed May 16, 2012 7:53 am

Kulikowski can be thanked also as he confirmed when asked that Allan hit his chest not his head. I am sure an elbow to the head if that had happened, would have envoked a big reaction from the player hit but as everyone saw on the day there was no reaction other than the player hit laughing as he milked a free and Port scored from it.

You have to wonder what the umpire saw or why he would bother reporting someone when he clearly guessed what happened and it cost North a goal not to mention the stress for Allan around the fact he was reported and had to fight the charge.

The other annoying thing is this reporting / points system is that they now hand out a penalty before any player gets a chance to put his case up - this of course applies where there is no video to support the original charge or the charge is laid after video review. The League take the word of an umpire who has since been proven wrong and dish out a penalty assuming the ump is always right but with no other supporting evidence.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Agile » Wed May 16, 2012 8:00 am

on the rails wrote:Kulikowski can be thanked also as he confirmed when asked that Allan hit his chest not his head. I am sure an elbow to the head if that had happened, would have envoked a big reaction from the player hit but as everyone saw on the day there was no reaction other than the player hit laughing as he milked a free and Port scored from it.

You have to wonder what the umpire saw or why he would bother reporting someone when he clearly guessed what happened and it cost North a goal not to mention the stress for Allan around the fact he was reported and had to fight the charge.

The other annoying thing is this reporting / points system is that they now hand out a penalty before any player gets a chance to put his case up - this of course applies where there is no video to support the original charge or the charge is laid after video review. The League take the word of an umpire who has since been proven wrong and dish out a penalty assuming the ump is always right but with no other supporting evidence.


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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby mal » Wed May 16, 2012 10:32 am

TAGGERS
Have their places in football
But they need to be accountable
I think Taggers who bite, punch,jumper pull, chest push , elbow, fart, stomp, swear etc are a problem
The taggers who run with a player and beat or inhibit them fair and square are not the problem

FROM NOW ON ?
From here on I suggest that all taggers are scrutinised by the Tribunals
Any player who EXCESSIVELY uses the tactics I have mentioned should be cited for undue rough play or whatever
1 of the 3 umpires should pay free kicks immediately to the harassed player during the game


DONT BLAME EM
People should not criticise the tagger exclusively
The tagger is norMALly one of the more inferior skilled players on the field
He is given a role to execute by his coach or whoever
His job, from his coaches point of view, is to bring an opposition superior player down to his level, and then when at this level beat them with experience
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby whufc » Wed May 16, 2012 10:39 am

The strange thing i find about this decision and it happens heaps at SANFL level is that when the MRP decided Allan striked the Port player in the head and then handed down its punishment im guessing that they would have watched a fair few replays of the incident and from different angles if possible.

How then do players go into the tribunal and get cleared of where the strike occured. Surely after 99 replays in slo mo you have a pretty good idea of where the contact was made.

This seems to happen heaps in the SANFL, not whingeing because Allan got off geez his one of my favs more just askinh how does the MRP get it so wrong and should they be held accountable when they do stuff up.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby story of my life » Wed May 16, 2012 10:42 am

whufc wrote:The strange thing i find about this decision and it happens heaps at SANFL level is that when the MRP decided Allan striked the Port player in the head and then handed down its punishment im guessing that they would have watched a fair few replays of the incident and from different angles if possible.

How then do players go into the tribunal and get cleared of where the strike occured. Surely after 99 replays in slo mo you have a pretty good idea of where the contact was made.

This seems to happen heaps in the SANFL, not whingeing because Allan got off geez his one of my favs more just askinh how does the MRP get it so wrong and should they be held accountable when they do stuff up.


If there is no footage (think i read it was off the ball) the MRP pretty much takes the umpires word as gospel. If the player challenges the decision then the input of all the relevant parties is heard. Good reason to go back to the old system me thinks
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby rod_rooster » Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 am

whufc wrote:The strange thing i find about this decision and it happens heaps at SANFL level is that when the MRP decided Allan striked the Port player in the head and then handed down its punishment im guessing that they would have watched a fair few replays of the incident and from different angles if possible.

How then do players go into the tribunal and get cleared of where the strike occured. Surely after 99 replays in slo mo you have a pretty good idea of where the contact was made.

This seems to happen heaps in the SANFL, not whingeing because Allan got off geez his one of my favs more just askinh how does the MRP get it so wrong and should they be held accountable when they do stuff up.


There was no video of the incident.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Slots It Through » Wed May 16, 2012 10:49 am

story of my life wrote:
whufc wrote:The strange thing i find about this decision and it happens heaps at SANFL level is that when the MRP decided Allan striked the Port player in the head and then handed down its punishment im guessing that they would have watched a fair few replays of the incident and from different angles if possible.

How then do players go into the tribunal and get cleared of where the strike occured. Surely after 99 replays in slo mo you have a pretty good idea of where the contact was made.

This seems to happen heaps in the SANFL, not whingeing because Allan got off geez his one of my favs more just askinh how does the MRP get it so wrong and should they be held accountable when they do stuff up.


If there is no footage (think i read it was off the ball) the MRP pretty much takes the umpires word as gospel. If the player challenges the decision then the input of all the relevant parties is heard. Good reason to go back to the old system me thinks


Not sure how accurate the imput from Kulikowski was. He was nursing a sore cheek after the game. The ice was on his face not chest.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby RustyCage » Wed May 16, 2012 11:36 am

Slots It Through wrote:
story of my life wrote:
whufc wrote:The strange thing i find about this decision and it happens heaps at SANFL level is that when the MRP decided Allan striked the Port player in the head and then handed down its punishment im guessing that they would have watched a fair few replays of the incident and from different angles if possible.

How then do players go into the tribunal and get cleared of where the strike occured. Surely after 99 replays in slo mo you have a pretty good idea of where the contact was made.

This seems to happen heaps in the SANFL, not whingeing because Allan got off geez his one of my favs more just askinh how does the MRP get it so wrong and should they be held accountable when they do stuff up.


If there is no footage (think i read it was off the ball) the MRP pretty much takes the umpires word as gospel. If the player challenges the decision then the input of all the relevant parties is heard. Good reason to go back to the old system me thinks


Not sure how accurate the imput from Kulikowski was. He was nursing a sore cheek after the game. The ice was on his face not chest.



Kulikowski is hardly going to dob him in at the tribunal, that (almost) never happens. Spoke to a couple of people who saw the incident, definitely wasn't chest.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 pm

Well I guess we will have to call in Mulder and Scully to get to the bottom of this one.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby on the rails » Wed May 16, 2012 12:46 pm

If Kulikowski was elbowed in the face as many are suggesting then he would have remonstrated alot more strongly (along with other nearby team mates) and that didn't happen. My "mail" is that his lump on his face was the result of an action of another North player in warning him about his tactics on Allan after the report. Strangely after that was "dished out" Allan managed to triple is possession rate - maybe that was just coincidental?
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Big Phil » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:50 pm

The Match Review Panel have been busy the last couple of days...

SANFL Press Release wrote:TRIBUNAL REPORTS

Sturt’s Adam Thomson has accepted a one match ban from the Incident Review Panel for rough conduct.

Eagles’ Angus Rowntree has accepted a one match ban from the Incident Review Panel for forceful front on contact.

Central’s Justin Hardy will challenge a one match ban handed out by the Incident Review Panel for a rough conduct charge. He will front the Tribunal at 5.30pm.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Aerie » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:13 pm

Did Willits even feel Rowntree's bump? Granted it was silly, but one match... :roll:
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby JK » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:07 pm

Aerie wrote:Did Willits even feel Rowntree's bump? Granted it was silly, but one match... :roll:


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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby bloods08 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:02 pm

Can't believe the eagles haven't challenged the Rowntree suspension. One of the worst reports I'd ever seen. Should've been thrown out monday morning.
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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby Big Phil » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:31 pm

Central's Justin Hardy found NOT GUILTY at the tribunal tonight and is free to play on Sarurday against the Bloods...

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Re: 2012 Reports & Tribunal Discussion

Postby bulldog2004 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:01 pm

bloods08 wrote:Can't believe the eagles haven't challenged the Rowntree suspension. One of the worst reports I'd ever seen. Should've been thrown out monday morning.

Must be thinking bout tanking now. ;)
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