SANFL Draftees in order

[has been]

Speaking to a fellow over the weekend who is involved in recruiting with a club from over the border and he told us that it will be a rarity for a player from SA to get drafted straight from our under 18 comp as they view it as second rate due to the fact so many young kids are pushed into it lowering the standard. They cannot understand why when we had a comp similar to TAC in the under 19's here that we changed for no reason. They think kids like young Howard from Glenelg will be a rarity. Funny how Mr Phillips tried to take the credit. Not very popular over there but I don't know why. This guy also stated when asked about young Panos that no one was interested due to the culture created at the norwood footy club in its junior grades. Said it was non productive - told us to make of that what we wanted but indicated the perceived culture was poor due to the coaching standards that where in place. Seemed a bit harsh as the 16's where ok. Also said we would not get the 20 drafeted next year as predicted and we cannot be happy with nine this year as the so called second footy state. Made some relevant points. Time will tell.

[spell_check]

I'll bookmark that post - I miss the 19s and 17s.

[nickname]

Speaking to a fellow over the weekend who is involved in recruiting with a club from over the border and he told us that it will be a rarity for a player from SA to get drafted straight from our under 18 comp as they view it as second rate due to the fact so many young kids are pushed into it lowering the standard. They cannot understand why when we had a comp similar to TAC in the under 19's here that we changed for no reason. They think kids like young Howard from Glenelg will be a rarity. Funny how Mr Phillips tried to take the credit. Not very popular over there but I don't know why. This guy also stated when asked about young Panos that no one was interested due to the culture created at the norwood footy club in its junior grades. Said it was non productive - told us to make of that what we wanted but indicated the perceived culture was poor due to the coaching standards that where in place. Seemed a bit harsh as the 16's where ok. Also said we would not get the 20 drafeted next year as predicted and we cannot be happy with nine this year as the so called second footy state. Made some relevant points. Time will tell.

Sounds like a load of cobblers to me. I'll believe no one was interested in Panos when he's not rookie drafted in 2 weeks time. And as for the U19s, the feedback the SANFL got from AFL clubs was that they weren't interested much in the U19s. They felt most of the talent was in the U17s; when a highly talented player outgrew the 17s he tended to bypass the 19s and play Reserves/League.

[ferret]

Don't rookie elevations to the main list count??? Last four years Scott McMahon, Jarrad Petrenko and Nick Salter have been elevated to the main list.

[sjt]

I to did a quick count from 2000 -2009 National draft and got the following

Port 19
West 17
Glenelg 16
Centrals 14
WWT 14
North 13
Norwood 8
Sturt 7
South 4

I did the same exercise earlier this year. It's not very easy to do. I came up with the following updated count, from 2000 up to the last draft, including rookies. In brackets is draftees to local clubs Power/Crows.

Westies 22 (6)
Central 19 (7)
WWT 18 (11)
North 18 (3)
Glenelg 17 (4)
Port 17 (4)
Norwood 11 (6)
Sturt 11 (5)
South 4 (1)

[Psyber]

It would now be interesting to look at the percentage from each club who have had any career success..

[ferret]

My research shows its 19 from the Eagles.

[supercoach]

Hey nickname the codswallop the has been is saying is true. There was a guy on the radio on talkback over the weekend discussing the same issue and the main theme was the fact that the 18's comp here is no where near the TAC and never will be. I think he said he was a scout for geelong and he also made the point that whatever you did with kids it was not until they started to develpop at 18 that really counted. How many guns do you see at 14 that don't grow and hence don't get the opportunities. The point he made was under 19 here was closer in standard overall to TAC - simple as that. Unless someone is a boy in a mans body and developed (like trengove) then they simply won't get looked at. Proof is in the pudding so far. We are starting to see that the changes made to our junior comp may not be the fruit that certain individuals state. What may benefit 1-2 individual standout players has effected the rest. Those players would have stood out anyway and been drafted. Interesting subject though. Time will tell.

[Big Phil]

A question that Wedgie asked on another thread got me thinking over the weekend about the history of SANFL players drafted in the last decade and how the numbers and quality compares. I have been looking at the draft as a whole and of course will not be able to finalise my lists until after the pre-season and rookie drafts in the next couple of weeks. But here is a look at the national draft history of the last decade. Please advise me if there is someone I forgot on the lists, will edit them accordingly.

Anyone know how the amount of kids picked up in the main draft from SA compares to other years?

Here you go Wedgie...


2009:

National Draft:

Pick 2 – Jack Trengove from Sturt to Melbourne
Pick 15 – ChristianHoward from Glenelg to Western Bulldogs
Pick 17 – Daniel Menzel from Central to Geelong
Pick 18 – Luke Tapscott from North to Melbourne
Pick 52 – Justin Bollenhagen from South to Fremantle
Pick 54 – Byron Sumner from WWT to Sydney
Pick 61 – James Craig from North to Crows
Pick 71 – Ben Nason from Central to Richmond
Pick 73 – Jesse O'Brien from North to Brisbane

SANFL players picked in 2009 National Draft = 9

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2008:

National Draft:

Pick 4 - Hamish Hartlett from West to Port Power
Pick 10 - Phil Davis from North to Adelaide
Pick 12 - Lewis Johnstone from North to Sydney
Pick 16 - Ryan Shoenmakers from Norwood to Hawthorn
Pick 25 - Jack Redden from Glenelg to Brisbane
Pick 38 - Matthew Broadbent from WWT to Port Power
Pick 47 - Rhys Stanley from West to St. Kilda
Pick 54 - Jarrad Redden from WWT to Port Power
Pick 65 - Rhys O'Keefe from North to Carlton
Pick 66 - Glen Dawson from WWT to Port Power
Pick 67 - Tyson Slattery from West to Essendon
Pick 74 - Paul Cahill from Sturt to St. Kilda
Pick 77 - Christopher Hall from WWT to Fremantle

SANFL players picked in 2008 National Draft = 13

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2007:

National Draft:

Pick 13 - Bradley Ebert from Port Mapies to West Coast
Pick 32 - Levi Greenwood from Port Magpies to Kangaroos
Pick 33 - Matthew Westhoff from Central to Port Power
Pick 66 - Tom McNamara from South to Melbourne

SANFL players picked in 2007 National Draft = 4

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2006:

National Draft:

Pick 1 - Bryce Gibbs from Glenelg to Carlton
Pick 14 - James Sellar from Glenelg to Adelaide
Pick 23 - Paul Stewart from WWT to Port Power
Pick 26 - Shane Edwards from North to Richmond
Pick 34 - Chris Schmidt from West to Brisbane
Pick 35 - Mark Austin from Glenelg to Carlton
Pick 36 - Alwyn Davey from South to Essendon
Pick 53 - Lindsay Thomas from Port Magpies to Kangaroos
Pick 62 - Isaac Weetra from Port Magpies to Melbourne
Pick 64 - Nick Gill from North to Adelaide
Pick 71 - Justin Westhoff from Central to Port Power
Pick 78 - Bryce Campbell from Norwood to Adelaide

SANFL players picked in 2006 National Draft = 12

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2005:

National Draft:

Pick 13 - Shannon Hurn from Central to West Coast
Pick 15 - Travis Varcoe from Central to Geelong
Pick 17 - Darren Pfieffer from Norwood to Adelaide
Pick 24 - Cleve Hughes from Norwood to Richmond
Pick 30 - Nick Lower from Norwood to Port Power
Pick 32 - Bernie Vince from WWT to Adelaide
Pick 47 - Ryan Gamble from Glenelg to Geelong
Pick 48 - Alan Obst from Central to Adelaide
Pick 56 - Joel Patfull from Norwood to Brisbane
Pick 58 - Hugh Minson from Norwood to Port Power
Pick 61 - Matthew Stokes from WWT to Geelong
Pick 63 - Phillip Raymond from Glenelg to St. Kilda
Pick 70 - Jonathon Giles from Central to Port Power

SANFL players picked in 2005 National Draft = 13

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2004:

National Draft:

Pick 3 - Ryan Griffen from South to Western Bulldogs
Pick 9 - Jordan Russell from West to Carlton
Pick 11 - Adam Thomson from Sturt to Port Power
Pick 12 - Danny Meyer from Glenelg to Richmond
Pick 14 - Angus Monfries from Sturt to Essendon
Pick 18 - Cameron Wood from West to Brisbane
Pick 23 - Sean Rusling from West to Collingwood
Pick 25 - Adam Hartlett from West to Carlton
Pick 28 - Chad Gibson from Norwood to Adelaide
Pick 46 - Henry Slattery from West to Essednon
Pick 51 - Ben Eckermann from Sturt to Port Power
Pick 54 - Stephen Tiller from West to Western Bulldogs
Pick 59 - Benet Copping from Sturt to Fremantle
Pick 60 - Paul Thomas from Central to Essendon
Pick 67 - Toby Stribling from North to Fremantle

SANFL players picked in 2004 National Draft = 15

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2003:

National Draft:

Pick 1 – Adam Cooney from West to Western Bulldogs
Pick 11 – Beau Waters from West to West Coast
Pick 16 – Josh Willoughby from Glenelg to Sydney
Pick 20 – Sam Butler from Central to West Coast
Pick 25 – Harry Miller from Port Magpies to Hawthorn
Pick 28 – Jay Nash from Central to Essendon
Pick 29 – Tim Schmidt from West to Sydney
Pick 30 – Brad Symes from Central to Port Power
Pick 31 – Josh Krueger from Glenelg to Adelaide
Pick 40 – Eddie Sansbury from Central to Kangaroos
Pick 55 – Sam Fisher from West to St. Kilda
Pick 59 – Matthew Davis from North to Sydney
Pick 73 – Shane Tuck from West to Richmond

SANFL players drafted into the AFL in 2003 = 13

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2002:

National Draft:

Pick 7 – Andrew Mackie from Glenelg to Geelong
Pick 12 – Jay Shulz from WWT to Richmond
Pick 13 – Byron Schammer from West to Fremantle
Pick 14 – Daniel Bell from Glenelg to Melbourne
Pick 15 – Nick Smith from Norwood to Melbourne
Pick 17 – Cameron Faulkner from Central to Western Bulldogs
Pick 20 – Will Minson from Norwood to Western Bulldogs
Pick 26 – Jared Rivers from North to Melbourne
Pick 32 – Luke Jericho from West to Adelaide
Pick 42 – Brett Ebert from Port Magpies to Port Power (Father / Son)
Pick 57 – Wade Champion from West to Port Power
Pick 68 – James Begley from Sturt to Adelaide
Pick 70 – Matthew Lokan from Port Magpies to Collingwood

SANFL players picked in 2002 National Draft = 13

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2001:

National Draft:

Pick 35 – Jarrad Wright from WWT to Brisbane
Pick 71 – Brian Harris from WWT to Western Bulldogs
Pick 76 – Jared Poulton from Port Magpies to Port Power

SANFL players picked in 2001 National Draft = 3

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2000:

National Draft:

Pick 3 – Alan Didak from Port Magpies to Collingwood
Pick 8 – Daniel Motlop from North to Kangaroos
Pick 10 – Jordan McMahon from Glenelg to Western Bulldogs
Pick 11 – Trent Sporn from North to Carlton
Pick 12 – Shaun Burgoyne from Port Magpies to Port Power
Pick 16 – Scott Thompson from Port Magpies to Melbourne
Pick 20 – Kane Cornes from Glenelg to Port Power
Pick 53 – Hayden Skipworth from WWT to Adelaide
Pick 54 – Jarrad Sundqvist from Glenelg to Sydney
Pick 60 – Corey Jones from Sturt to Kangaroos
Pick 67 – Graham Johncock from Port Magpies to Adelaide

SANFL players picked in 2000 National Draft = 11

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By my calculations, from the last 10 AFL National drafts, we have had 93 SANFL players picked up, which averages out to to 9.3 players drafted per year.

The best year for draftees was 2004 with 15 players drafted, while the year that saw the SANFL with the least amount of players recruited was 2001 with just 3.

[redandblack]

Hey nickname the codswallop the has been is saying is true. There was a guy on the radio on talkback over the weekend discussing the same issue and the main theme was the fact that the 18's comp here is no where near the TAC and never will be. I think he said he was a scout for geelong and he also made the point that whatever you did with kids it was not until they started to develpop at 18 that really counted. How many guns do you see at 14 that don't grow and hence don't get the opportunities. The point he made was under 19 here was closer in standard overall to TAC - simple as that. Unless someone is a boy in a mans body and developed (like trengove) then they simply won't get looked at. Proof is in the pudding so far. We are starting to see that the changes made to our junior comp may not be the fruit that certain individuals state. What may benefit 1-2 individual standout players has effected the rest. Those players would have stood out anyway and been drafted. Interesting subject though. Time will tell.

You're putting up a talkback radio caller as truth Not only that, but he contradicts himself immediately, unless you believe Victorian lads grow more quickly than SA lads.

The list of draftees just posted by Big Phil also blows your theory away, with 2009 seeing almost exactly the average number of draftees taken. I'll be happy to state that 2010 will see more than 9 drafted as well.

I think nickname's 'codswallop' is looking good.

[Macca19]

The reason Panos wasnt drafted has nothing to do with Norwood, and everything to do with the fact hes a simple Lead-Mark-Kick forward with questionable athleticism and diversity. Every year theres a KPP whos rated highly pre-draft only for people to scratch their head when said KPP is either drafted really rate, drafted in the rookie draft or not drafted at all. Gourdis, Grundy, Kirkby, Thursfield, Gayfer, Cornelius, White, Sibosado were all rated as possible first round picks pre draft and all slid down the draft order. Gayfer wasnt even drafted at all. None of them have showed why they were originally rated so highly. Then theres the fact that each year Port and Adelaide get linked to local players for no other reason than they are local. Every man and his dog had Panos going to Port at one of their picks. 'They need a forward, hes a local, it fits'. Obviously it didnt fit.

AFL clubs want players that can play in multiple roles, maybe switch from either side of the ground. They want players with great athleticism and great endurance. From all ive heard, Panos isnt that sort of player.

He'll get picked up in the rookie draft, possibly by Port anyway. But his falling has nothing to do with Norwoods 'culture'.

[doggies4eva]

That's really good info BP. Thanks for that.

What it says to me is numbers can change significantly from year to year but there is no evidence that either SA footy is falling in standard compared to other states or that the additional of the Gold Coast will lead to a disasterous loss of players from SA.

In fact given that significant resources have been used to target junior development in Qld and NSW over the past 10+ years the fact that SA is holding up tends to belie the view that SA is slipping behind.

[Punk Rooster]

Speaking to a fellow over the weekend who is involved in recruiting with a club from over the border and he told us that it will be a rarity for a player from SA to get drafted straight from our under 18 comp as they view it as second rate due to the fact so many young kids are pushed into it lowering the standard. They cannot understand why when we had a comp similar to TAC in the under 19's here that we changed for no reason. They think kids like young Howard from Glenelg will be a rarity. Funny how Mr Phillips tried to take the credit. Not very popular over there but I don't know why. This guy also stated when asked about young Panos that no one was interested due to the culture created at the norwood footy club in its junior grades. Said it was non productive - told us to make of that what we wanted but indicated the perceived culture was poor due to the coaching standards that where in place. Seemed a bit harsh as the 16's where ok. Also said we would not get the 20 drafeted next year as predicted and we cannot be happy with nine this year as the so called second footy state. Made some relevant points. Time will tell.

yet the VFL saw fit to raid us continuously for years...

[JK]

The reason Panos wasnt drafted has nothing to do with Norwood, and everything to do with the fact hes a simple Lead-Mark-Kick forward with questionable athleticism and diversity. Every year theres a KPP whos rated highly pre-draft only for people to scratch their head when said KPP is either drafted really rate, drafted in the rookie draft or not drafted at all. Gourdis, Grundy, Kirkby, Thursfield, Gayfer, Cornelius, White, Sibosado were all rated as possible first round picks pre draft and all slid down the draft order. Gayfer wasnt even drafted at all. None of them have showed why they were originally rated so highly. Then theres the fact that each year Port and Adelaide get linked to local players for no other reason than they are local. Every man and his dog had Panos going to Port at one of their picks. 'They need a forward, hes a local, it fits'. Obviously it didnt fit.

AFL clubs want players that can play in multiple roles, maybe switch from either side of the ground. They want players with great athleticism and great endurance. From all ive heard, Panos isnt that sort of player.

He'll get picked up in the rookie draft, possibly by Port anyway. But his falling has nothing to do with Norwoods 'culture'.

Voice of reason on all fronts

[milbo]

Toung Christian Howard has just flown hone for surgery on his hip. Will be out of action for 4 months minimum. Poor bugger. Not a great start.

[lachlan]

That is very sad news for Young Howard