AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Jim05]

If either of the AFL clubs had cared to mention "we want to win a SANFL premiership" amongst any of their propaganda then they may have held my attention for a short stint.

Keith Thomas has stated this, in writing to his members, that the goal would still be to win the SANFL premiership.

Clarke from Adelaide on the weekend on 5AA stated that their goal would be to win the SANFL premiership.

There seems to be the thoguht that development and winning must be mutually exclusive. I dont see why this should be. Surely the best form of development is a winning culture?

I am actually the opposite.
I dont ever want to see the day the Cows or Power win a SANFL premiership.
I would only entertain the thought of them joining the comp if they played for no points or maybe put in stricter eligibility rules for finals ie once you played say 6 AFL games you are ineligible to play SANFL finals.
Also they cant recruit any top up player that has been on a SANFL list in last 2 years

[twosheds]

My question to the forum - will there be any possible proposal put forward by the AFL clubs that will make people here change their minds and accept that it might not be the end of the integrity of South Australian football if Adelaide and Port have reserves sides in the SANFL? What would need to be in the proposals for people to accept the change? Or is it a blanket no, never, do not want?

Im finding it hard to fathom that so many people would simply jump off their clubs never to return if this goes through.

I don't begin to know what others are thinking but for me its the notion that we have copped it mercilessly from the AFL but like Python's Black Knight haven't ultimately succumbed. Now we have a chance to tell them to get stuffed it seems we are just going to bend over and get reamed again. I know the $ realities etc and the Club honchos have to look at the bottom line and all of that BUT probably being a delusional romantic this would probably be the last straw for me.

[whufc]

Time for mass protest

[cennals05]

Time for mass protest

How do we do it though and are people really willing to do something? We live in such an apathetic society. We need more than a couple of hundred people doing something.

What will get our message across the best?

[Apachebulldog]

Mark my words but i think the Club boards will sell their souls in a few weeks time when they hear the jingle and see the gleam of all those gold shekels this could be the end of the SANFL as we know it. John Olsen has stuffed up the state now he is gonna stuff up the SANFL my view to the Crows and Power P%#s OFF and go and join an AFL conpetition the Magpies must stand alone in the SANFL to keep its integrity.

[once_were_warriors]

If this happens and they play in the SANFL league it is going to be shitfull.

They really won't care about winning the premiership and thats what is going to destroy the integrity of this comp.

Can accept that they have their reserves ,but just do it somewhere else.

The clubs are going to bend over to this , just like they have on most other things.

There will be additional cash for clubs , but the feeling of going to Woodville and watching us play the crows in what ever capacity they field a team is going to hurt.

[Dutchy]

My question to the forum - will there be any possible proposal put forward by the AFL clubs that will make people here change their minds and accept that it might not be the end of the integrity of South Australian football if Adelaide and Port have reserves sides in the SANFL? What would need to be in the proposals for people to accept the change? Or is it a blanket no, never, do not want?

Im finding it hard to fathom that so many people would simply jump off their clubs never to return if this goes through.

Id keep an open mind but would probably go from being a member (with my 2 kids) to being an interested on looker only with no membership.

While the Crows and Power reserves playing the SANFL comp is what they want now, who is to say they will want this in 2-3 years time? Esp if a AFL reserves comp comes in.

IF this happens and the SANFL bend over, they have to insist of getting a guarantee from both clubs that they will commit to the comp long term (maybe a 20 year $2m Bank Guanartee?)

If not I can see them playing for 2-3 years then abandoning the league and it will never recover.

[whufc]

Time for mass protest

How do we do it though and are people really willing to do something? We live in such an apathetic society. We need more than a couple of hundred people doing something.

What will get our message across the best?

The AFL clubs can say SANFL crowds will increase but they have no way to prove it.

On the otherhand we have the chance to show in numbers 'real' people not paperwork that will stop attending the SANFL.

Maybe we need 4 'hands of our SANFL' banner and at each game people who will not go to the SANFL if the clubs come in meet at say half time behind the banner on the outer wings so all the high end knob jockeys can see and count the amour of numbers and memberships that will be lost

Just an idea

[smac]

From a club Board member:

There is currently no proposal to vote on so any comment on an outcome is just made up. There is a committee set up to discuss the pros and cons that will report back to the clubs.

Have had a similar answer from others involved in the process. The only part that concerns me is the commission member I spoke with who was quite bullish on making it happen. Their job isn't meant to be salesman for AFC/PAFC.

[Big Phil]

I think with the events of the last couple of days, Eric needs to make an appearnace, somehwere, at an SANFL game this weekend...

[smac]

If either of the AFL clubs had cared to mention "we want to win a SANFL premiership" amongst any of their propaganda then they may have held my attention for a short stint.

Keith Thomas has stated this, in writing to his members, that the goal would still be to win the SANFL premiership.

Clarke from Adelaide on the weekend on 5AA stated that their goal would be to win the SANFL premiership.

There seems to be the thoguht that development and winning must be mutually exclusive. I dont see why this should be. Surely the best form of development is a winning culture?

If only it wasn't so late in their public comments, it smacked of "oh, yeah... that'd be good too.".

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Simple answer money will talk and I for one will not be going to watch a SANFL game with the Cows and Paps playing.
3000 extra people what have you been smoking Chapman? Getting that Shonk Trigg (Who should have been sacked)to do the figures again.

P!ss off to the AFL where you belong you jerks!!!!

The AFL would be loving this SANFL totally F#cked all of Andy D dreams will come true no competition to the AFL.

They want it to happen so they don't have to pay for an AFL Reserves comp so they cab just P#ss money up against the wall North of the Murray.

None of the SANFL Directors will have the guts to talk to their members and John Olsen is only a mouth piece for the AFL in this.

Rob Kerin should get a vote as this effects all Grassroots competition but he is just an other yes man who will vote in favour of this.

[on the rails]

I just spoke to board member that I work with from one of the clubs (not Centrals) and it doesn't look good. From his understanding if there was a vote on Wednesday night it would have got through 7-1 with his club the only one that is dead against it. He seems to think that John Olsen has been going around to the clubs and getting in their ears.

I asked him what the supporters of all clubs can do and he said the NO AFL IN THE SANFL campaign is great and keep doing it. He said ring up all the sports shows you can and demand a meeting with the President of your club.

I for one am extremely disappointed that my club is one of them that would have voted yes.

He also said North were directed by their board to vote no but their President seemed to change his mind at the meeting.

I have been told that the only vote was for an agreement to look at the proposals from the 2 AFL clubs and that's all and that vote was 7-1 and hence the miss-information about Bohdan and changing his mind! North's Board has twice taken a vote and they are united in not wanting AFL Reserves in our comp full stop and our President has been very outspoken and anti-AFL.

Not sure though he should be ranked as No 2 in terms of the SANFL's most influencial people though? Massive step up for someone who can barely articulate at meetings!

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Time for mass protest

How do we do it though and are people really willing to do something? We live in such an apathetic society. We need more than a couple of hundred people doing something.

What will get our message across the best?

The AFL clubs can say SANFL crowds will increase but they have no way to prove it.

On the otherhand we have the chance to show in numbers 'real' people not paperwork that will stop attending the SANFL.

Maybe we need 4 'hands of our SANFL' banner and at each game people who will not go to the SANFL if the clubs come in meet at say half time behind the banner on the outer wings so all the high end knob jockeys can see and count the amour of numbers and memberships that will be lost

Just an idea

Love the idea!!! Great one show the knob jockeys what will happen...

[once_were_warriors]

Time for mass protest

How do we do it though and are people really willing to do something? We live in such an apathetic society. We need more than a couple of hundred people doing something.

What will get our message across the best?

The AFL clubs can say SANFL crowds will increase but they have no way to prove it.

On the otherhand we have the chance to show in numbers 'real' people not paperwork that will stop attending the SANFL.

Maybe we need 4 'hands of our SANFL' banner and at each game people who will not go to the SANFL if the clubs come in meet at say half time behind the banner on the outer wings so all the high end knob jockeys can see and count the amour of numbers and memberships that will be lost

Just an idea

Will only hurt the clubs, better off turning the hot water off in the vistors change rooms when the Crows and Power visit , maybe they wont come back again.

[whufc]

From a club Board member:

There is currently no proposal to vote on so any comment on an outcome is just made up. There is a committee set up to discuss the pros and cons that will report back to the clubs.

Have had a similar answer from others involved in the process. The only part that concerns me is the commission member I spoke with who was quite bullish on making it happen. Their job isn't meant to be salesman for AFC/PAFC.

$$$$$$$

[whufc]

Time for mass protest

How do we do it though and are people really willing to do something? We live in such an apathetic society. We need more than a couple of hundred people doing something.

What will get our message across the best?

The AFL clubs can say SANFL crowds will increase but they have no way to prove it.

On the otherhand we have the chance to show in numbers 'real' people not paperwork that will stop attending the SANFL.

Maybe we need 4 'hands of our SANFL' banner and at each game people who will not go to the SANFL if the clubs come in meet at say half time behind the banner on the outer wings so all the high end knob jockeys can see and count the amour of numbers and memberships that will be lost

Just an idea

Will only hurt the clubs, better off turning the hot water off in the vistors change rooms when the Crows and Power visit , maybe they wont come back again.

If the clubs vote for it they need to be held accountable!!

[RB]

If AFL reserves entered the SANFL that's it for me re supporting the Eagles, unless they voted no but it still got through (unlikely), in which case I'd go down and have a look from time to time if I'm free, nice weather etc., and obviously not against an AFL reserves team. Many others in my boat would do the same. The SANFL clubs are delusional if they're not anticipating a massive backlash IMO. No matter how much money they get from it, they are kidding themselves if they think the league is going to be better for it in the long term.

[Macca19]

If this happens and they play in the SANFL league it is going to be shitfull.

They really won't care about winning the premiership and thats what is going to destroy the integrity of this comp.

Why wont they care about winning the premiership? Why does development have to come at the cost of winning games? Did not the WAFL allegiance lead to premierships for those clubs 10 years ago? Have Geelong and Collingwood not won premierships in the VFL as standalone reserves clubs?

Half the people think the teams will be shit and wont be trying to win games. The other half think the teams will be too strong and win the premiership every year. Personally, I think the truth might be somewhere in the middle.

[Dogwatcher]

Well here is how I get to an extra 3,000 a week ....

with a 10th team we go from 4 to 5 games a week.

average crowd at an SANFL game is approx 3,000




This assumes (if all games at SANFL venues)

-home supporters come in similar numbers to this type of game

- the Crows supporters who turn up will match what a visting SANFL club would normally bring


And this is the assumption.... the VFL experience indicates it will not happen but is it a good example.

That's how I read it.