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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:56 pm

Brucetiki wrote:Not surprised Barmby got reported if it was for the incident in the last quarter that started North's run of goals. Given his record, anything more than a reprimand would be excessive though.

Sutherland, I'm hoping for a reprimand but wouldn't be surprised if he gets a week.

Parry's up again, fresh off his last holiday :shock:

Absolute idiot, hope they throw the book at him
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Brucetiki » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:38 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Brucetiki wrote:Not surprised Barmby got reported if it was for the incident in the last quarter that started North's run of goals. Given his record, anything more than a reprimand would be excessive though.

Sutherland, I'm hoping for a reprimand but wouldn't be surprised if he gets a week.

Parry's up again, fresh off his last holiday :shock:

Absolute idiot, hope they throw the book at him


Am thinking the same. Had a shocking record prior to his indiscretion at Noarlunga. If he's guilty then I'd suspect a fair loading based on his priors.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Hazydog » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:49 pm

Not surprised Barmby got reported if it was for the incident in the last quarter that started North's run of goals. Given his record, anything more than a reprimand would be excessive though.From memory there was an equally late "charge" by a North player just in front of the grandstand - maybe in the second quarter. I know I'm a tad vague here but does anyone recall the incident? - I would have thought it was on par with Barmby's
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Aerie » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:42 pm

Have had a look at these on the replay.

IMO:
Parry not guilty of whatever the charge is :roll:
Cicolella should probably get a week.
Grocke not guilty.

Oh, and Fielke, not guilty.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby spell_check » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:43 pm

Aerie wrote:Have had a look at these on the replay.

IMO:
Parry not guilty of whatever the charge is :roll:
Cicolella should probably get a week.
Grocke not guilty.

Oh, and Fielke, not guilty.


But hey, who knows - the SANFL is becoming AFLish.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby once_were_warriors » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Brucetiki wrote:Not surprised Barmby got reported if it was for the incident in the last quarter that started North's run of goals. Given his record, anything more than a reprimand would be excessive though.

Sutherland, I'm hoping for a reprimand but wouldn't be surprised if he gets a week.

Parry's up again, fresh off his last holiday :shock:

Absolute idiot, hope they throw the book at him



The one against South he deserved three games if not more.

However Saturdays as I've said on the Eags V Westies was just a bloke that tackled a player hard, unfortunately he slung him to the side and these days its a game.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:54 pm

once_were_warriors wrote:However Saturdays as I've said on the Eags V Westies was just a bloke that tackled a player hard, unfortunately he slung him to the side and these days its a game.


Unfortunately for Parry, precedence has been set with the suspension of Walker, and he should get 1 match. I'm not entirely comfortable with either getting games because, although they were sling tackles, they weren't the malicious acts we see at times in the AFL.

Having said that, I welcome the abolition of the sling tackle because, although neither player was hurt but Walker and Parry's tackle, the potential is there for serious damage to occur. It's unnecessary to throw an opponent to the ground, and maybe if the umpires blew the whistle quicker, it wouldn't happen so often.

A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:56 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.


Why can't he?
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Aerie » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:59 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
once_were_warriors wrote:However Saturdays as I've said on the Eags V Westies was just a bloke that tackled a player hard, unfortunately he slung him to the side and these days its a game.


Unfortunately for Parry, precedence has been set with the suspension of Walker, and he should get 1 match. I'm not entirely comfortable with either getting games because, although they were sling tackles, they weren't the malicious acts we see at times in the AFL.

Having said that, I welcome the abolition of the sling tackle because, although neither player was hurt but Walker and Parry's tackle, the potential is there for serious damage to occur. It's unnecessary to throw an opponent to the ground, and maybe if the umpires blew the whistle quicker, it wouldn't happen so often.

A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.


Very good point. Spelly also made the point of players putting their head in dangerous positions to gain a free kick. These constant rule changes/interpretations often have consequences that are not so obvious at the time.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:01 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.


Why can't he?


Because the player will attempt to break free of the tackle.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:03 pm

And if he does, whats the problem?
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby spell_check » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:04 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.


Why can't he?


Because the player will attempt to break free of the tackle.


This delayed whistle was another change in umpiring directives. So often the whistle is not blown because it was felt that the play becomes more crowded if the ball-up is called quicker. Instead, the ball goes nowhere for longer because the ball is given "every opportunity" to get out of the pack.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Jimmy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:33 pm

spell_check wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Adelaide Hawk wrote:
A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.


Why can't he?


Because the player will attempt to break free of the tackle.


This delayed whistle was another change in umpiring directives. So often the whistle is not blown because it was felt that the play becomes more crowded if the ball-up is called quicker. Instead, the ball goes nowhere for longer because the ball is given "every opportunity" to get out of the pack.


this is another thing that confuses players.

so sick of all these changes
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby CENTURION » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:28 am

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
once_were_warriors wrote:However Saturdays as I've said on the Eags V Westies was just a bloke that tackled a player hard, unfortunately he slung him to the side and these days its a game.


Unfortunately for Parry, precedence has been set with the suspension of Walker, and he should get 1 match. I'm not entirely comfortable with either getting games because, although they were sling tackles, they weren't the malicious acts we see at times in the AFL.

Having said that, I welcome the abolition of the sling tackle because, although neither player was hurt but Walker and Parry's tackle, the potential is there for serious damage to occur. It's unnecessary to throw an opponent to the ground, and maybe if the umpires blew the whistle quicker, it wouldn't happen so often.

A player has his opponent wrapped up .. no whistle .. he can't keep holding him so what does he do? He flings him to the ground. Umpires, blow the whistle quicker, don't stand there watching.

good god, I agree with you completely!
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Kahuna » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:42 pm

Hazydog wrote:From memory there was an equally late "charge" by a North player just in front of the grandstand - maybe in the second quarter. I know I'm a tad vague here but does anyone recall the incident? - I would have thought it was on par with Barmby's


George Thring on Kyle Jenner or Josh Walduter? Round arm punch to the stomach after the kick.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:51 pm

Kahuna wrote:
Hazydog wrote:From memory there was an equally late "charge" by a North player just in front of the grandstand - maybe in the second quarter. I know I'm a tad vague here but does anyone recall the incident? - I would have thought it was on par with Barmby's


George Thring on Kyle Jenner or Josh Walduter? Round arm punch to the stomach after the kick.


Punches to the guts don't seem to raise an eyebrow with umpires these days. I've seen several this season, and not one reported.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Big Phil » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:19 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
Kahuna wrote:
Hazydog wrote:From memory there was an equally late "charge" by a North player just in front of the grandstand - maybe in the second quarter. I know I'm a tad vague here but does anyone recall the incident? - I would have thought it was on par with Barmby's


George Thring on Kyle Jenner or Josh Walduter? Round arm punch to the stomach after the kick.


Punches to the guts don't seem to raise an eyebrow with umpires these days. I've seen several this season, and not one reported.


Well, they have this time AH with Jason Sutherland suspended for 1 game after 'hitting' Cain Ackland.

http://www.sanfl.com.au/league/reports/ ... e_reports/
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Big Phil » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:24 pm

The decisions are in from the busy Round of tribunal hearings...

http://www.sanfl.com.au/league/reports/ ... e_reports/


Jason Sutherland (Central)
Striking
Intentional Conduct - Low Impact - Body Contact
125 points
-20% Guilty Plea
100 Total Points
1 Match




Adam Grocke (Eagles)
Striking
Not Guilty




Craig Parry (Eagles)
Rough Conduct
Reckless Conduct - Low Impact - High Contact
225 Points
+30% for 3 Match Penalty in 2011
292.5 Points
-20% Guilty Plea
234 Points
20 Points carried over from previous offense
254 Total Points
2 Match Penalty




Justin Cicolella (Eagles)
Charging
Reckless Conduct - Medium Impact - Body Contact
225 Points
-20% Guilty Plea
180 Total Points
1 Match




Aaron Fielke (West)
Rough Conduct
Not Guilty




Luke Barmby (Central)
Charging
Negligent Conduct - Low Impact - Body Contact
125 Points
-20% Guilty Plea
100 Total Points
1 Match
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:35 pm

Agree with the Grocke decision, not sure about 2 for Perry, thought 1 would have sufficed, and can someone tell me what Cicolella was reported for? I must have missed it.
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Re: Tribunal discussion/views/debate

Postby bloods08 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:40 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Agree with the Grocke decision, not sure about 2 for Perry, thought 1 would have sufficed, and can someone tell me what Cicolella was reported for? I must have missed it.


Off the ball bump. Left Logan Hill dazed for a while. Was about 15-20 metres away from the ball and unnecessary.
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