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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Mark_Beswick » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:52 pm

I went to School with Scott Camporeale -
Saint Michael's College > Eagles Zone

Beverley Campus - Eagles Zone
Henley Campus - Eagles Zone
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby spell_check » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:57 pm

smithy wrote:
topsywaldron wrote:When were the AFL appointed to run football in Australia? Genuine question.

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Good question topsy.
I always wondered what happened to the old NFL governing body.
WHilst it was spineless anyway due to the fact that IIRC out of the 14 voting members, 6 were taken up by the old VFL, 2 SANFL, 2 WAFL, 1 TFL, 1 ACT, 1 NTFL, 1 QFL or thereabouts, I'm not quite sure when it stopped.
It became quite powerless when the Bears and Eagles joined the VFL and seemed to slowly drift away.


An appropriate time to quote this which appeared in the Advertiser late in the 1992 season. I can't remember the rest of the article (this is all I jotted down), but this gives you a little idea of when that body disbanded.

"Whicker will also call for the role and power of the NAFC to be defined.

'There is an urgent need for the NAFC to assume control of all leagues in regard to one set of laws, rules, policies and philosophy. By agreement, the NAFC permitted the AFL to run the national competition until the end of the 1994 season, but that doesn't mean the AFL has the right to run football all throughout Australia'."


This probably deserves a thread in its' own right - either here or the history forum. The way things are now, it is still highly relevant of what became the NAFC and what is here at the present time.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby SANFLnut » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:32 am

Premiers, your comments about boarding schools is way off the mark. Club affiliation is determined by residential address of the mother on the electoral roll unless someone else is the primary carer. Boarding at a school or having a sleepover at a mates house in Glenelg will each have no impact on which club players are tied to.

These days there are probably as many SHC kids living in Westies zone as there are in Glenelg's.

I think North are playing a role in encouraging players from their own country zone to come and board at schools in the city so that they are available to play for Roosters junior teams rather than still be in country, backfires a little bit when they then have to play for the school they are boarding at rather than front for North most weeks.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Grahaml » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:14 am

It is a magnificent pat on the back for the eagles, but you wonder whether the study is actually around which SANFL clubs developed the talent the best or happened to get the most talented kids come through.

Jack Trengove gets drafted whichever SANFL club he comes through. Simply looking at the draft and seeing he got picked up doesn't mean squat in terms of Sturt's development skills. However, if you say that Sturt's input made him a #2 draft pick instead of a #10 like he may have been at another club then that is a far more meaningful conclusion. Even more would be to look at the players at the end of their careers and say how much better over their career were they because of the input as a developing player by their SANFL clubs.

I'd like to think guys like Travis Varcoe, Shannon Hurn, Brent Guerra and Nathan Grima are better players for the influence of the CDFC than had they come through another SANFL club. It may or may not be true, but that is surely the real question the AFL should be after.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby StrayDog » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:42 am

SANFLnut wrote:Premiers, your comments about boarding schools is way off the mark. Club affiliation is determined by residential address of the mother on the electoral roll unless someone else is the primary carer. Boarding at a school or having a sleepover at a mates house in Glenelg will each have no impact on which club players are tied to.


Also, FWIW, a change of address isn't recognised for zoning until 12 months after the actual CoA either.

The excerpt below is from the CDFC's "Information Booklet" from last year. There have been a few queries here on "zoning" so I hope this helps.

Apologies if any details have changed since.


ZONING RULES FOR PLAYERS

The SANFL has divided South Australia into 9 promotional zones. This ensures that each
SANFL Club has an even share of the available players in the state. It also means that
each SANFL Club is given sole responsibility for assisting local Clubs and Schools to
promote Australian Rules Football.

If a person is under 19 years of age, they are bound to play for one of 9 SANFL Clubs,
based on their home address, not their School or Club address. In case of a split family the
mother’s address is used, unless it can be proven they live more than 50% of the time with
their father. If a family move address, the previous address until 12 months after they
move. This means you cannot change address and be eligible straight away to play for
another SANFL Club.

This zoning rule only applies to players who are applying to play for an SANFL Club from
the year they turn 15 until the year they are 19. A player cannot play SANFL U16 football or
above until they turn 15.

There are several options for a player who wants to play for a Club for which he is not
zoned.
1. The out of zoned Club pays the players zoned Club $5,000. There are also
incremental payments of $4,000 on the player’s first league game, and $3,000 on
their 10th and 25th games.
2. The out of zoned Club organises a player transfer with the zoned Club for a player
of a like ability. Future charges may or may not occur depending on the
arrangement between Clubs.
3. The father of the out of zone player has played one or more league games for that
Club, the player is then free to play at the out of zone Club.

A player is able to train and play in the under 13 and 14 Development Squad teams for
any Club. At the end of the Under 15 program, only one out of zone player can be
chosen to play in the final squad of 25 in the Under 15 Championships.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Dirko » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:30 am

Mark_Beswick wrote:I went to School with Scott Camporeale -
Saint Michael's College > Eagles Zone

Beverley Campus - Eagles Zone
Henley Campus - Eagles Zone


Doesn't matter where he goes to school.

I was also referring to earlier juniors i.e U14 etc.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby CoverKing » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:22 am

SJABC wrote:
Aerie wrote:
Pseudo wrote:A few years back the Eagles had a player from Sacred Heart who received permission from the school to play with the Eagles. Forget the name, only that it was the son of a former Torrens player. So there was at least one SHC kid who wasn't forced to play with the Bays. Pretty sure he wasn't a boarder either. Anyone want to fill in the gaps?


Matthew Pavlich maybe?


He didn't go to Sacred Heart but Scotty Camporeale was zoned to the Glenelg Zone as a junior and told "not good enough", he moved over to Woodville and the rest is history.


Incorrect mate. Pavlich went to SAcred heart.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:22 am

Same year as Cornes wasn't he?
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Hondo » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:40 am

spell_check wrote:This probably deserves a thread in its' own right - either here or the history forum. The way things are now, it is still highly relevant of what became the NAFC and what is here at the present time.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian ... ll_Council

Around 1977, the ANFC made some structural changes. The word "national" was officially dropped from the name and the official name of "Australian Football" was formally adopted at this time. However the SANFL decided not change its name, remaining the only league to retain the "national" as part of its name. The body worked closer with the VFL to introduce a night representative series and remodel representative football and interstate carnivals.

1977 - State of Origin rules introduced to interstate matches.
1978 - Reserve players became interchange players (i.e. replaced players could later return to the game).
1986 - 50 metre arc introduced.
1988 - 15 metre penalty becomes 50 metre penalty in the VFL. Emergency umpires empowered to report players.

In 1993, 3 years after the VFL was rebranded as the AFL, the AFL Commission, under the control of AFL CEO Ross Oakley pushed for the Australian National Football Council to be disbanded. The league successfully argued that the council had become less relevant due to its increasingly successful national club competition. A memorandum of understanding was signed which effectively increased the league's power and cut red tape, allowing the AFL to gain control of the Laws of the Game (forming the official AFL Rules Committee). The AFL also gained control of the State of Origin series.
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby Dirko » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:55 am

CoverKing wrote:
SJABC wrote:He didn't go to Sacred Heart but Scotty Camporeale was zoned to the Glenelg Zone as a junior and told "not good enough", he moved over to Woodville and the rest is history.


Incorrect mate. Pavlich went to SAcred heart.


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I was saying Campo didn't go to Sacred Heart....
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Re: Eagles "most effective developer of AFL talent in country"

Postby SANFLnut » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:03 pm

Perhaps it was years ago in the first community round" or similar when each AFL player sent a signed guernsey back to their club/school of origin. During that process it was discovered that there were more players on AFL lists that had come through Sacred Heart than any other single club/school in Australia. Can anyone lay their hands on this info/article?
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