Question asked on 5AA re CDFC

[SDK]

On 5AA tonight it was mentioned that Centrals may have supplied a reasonable number of draft picks from their juniors but none apart from Bunger Hearn ( moderate success ) have really made it.
Personally I like the way Varcoe played at Geelong but maybe they have a point.
They also mentioned that in the GF Norwood has several young players around 20 and under whilst Centrals had none in that category....probably the reason they held on to win.

[Big Phil]

Some might be surprised, but based on the 21 players that represented the CDFC in the Grand Final, the average age of the Dogs side was 24.238

(Based on DOB's listed in the 2010 CDFC Annual Report)

Not sure of the Redleg's average age but no doubt would be in the low 20's for sure...

[Big Phil]

On 5AA tonight it was mentioned that Centrals may have supplied a reasonable number of draft picks from their juniors but none apart from Bunger Hearn ( moderate success ) have really made it.
Personally I like the way Varcoe played at Geelong but maybe they have a point.
They also mentioned that in the GF Norwood has several young players around 20 and under whilst Centrals had none in that category....probably the reason they held on to win.

I would probably have Travis Varcoe as the most successful so far from that list of players on the previous, followed closely by Shannon Hurn as SDK mentioned above.

Out of the others listed, perhaps the following could be classed as being 'servicable' AFL players perhaps?

Brad Symes has played some good football for the Crows, Justin Westhoff had that good season with the Power the year before last and Sam Butler has won an AFL Premiership with West Coast.

[CK]

Their record in the 1990's is pretty sound, however.

158 AFL games for Anthony Ingerson is nothing to really sneeze at. Peter Vardy is also an AFL premiership player, with 137 games under his belt. Luke McCabe also had a pretty fair AFL career spanning ten seasons.

[SpionKopster]

Shannon Hurn is a gun! Travis Varcoe's handy also.

If Sam Butler could get on the park consistently he'd be further recognised around AFL circles.

Daniel Menzel from what I've seen is an immense talent and will more than likely get opportunities in 2011. Untapped potential!

5 reasons, amongst others I'm sure, from an outsiders point of view, for Central's success, strong social club and an evolution of a strong culture, astute administration and recruting, Roy Laird, James Gowans and Chris Gowans.

At the end of the day, there is no point in dreaming up useless information and statistics etc, they've been the best for a decade, it's up to the rest of us to take the mantle away!

[smithy]

Their record in the 1990's is pretty sound, however.

158 AFL games for Anthony Ingerson is nothing to really sneeze at. Peter Vardy is also an AFL premiership player, with 137 games under his belt. Luke McCabe also had a pretty fair AFL career spanning ten seasons.

Michael O'Laughlin ?

[Big Phil]

Their record in the 1990's is pretty sound, however.

158 AFL games for Anthony Ingerson is nothing to really sneeze at. Peter Vardy is also an AFL premiership player, with 137 games under his belt. Luke McCabe also had a pretty fair AFL career spanning ten seasons.

Michael O'Loughlin ?

As well as Micky O'Loughlin, you could add a lad called Stewart Dew, admittedly he was more prominent throughout the 2000's he did debut in 1997.

Stuart Cochrane was drafted in 94 and played just a tick over 100 games for North and Port combined, was servicable I'd say...

[sjt]

On 5AA tonight it was mentioned that Centrals may have supplied a reasonable number of draft picks from their juniors but none apart from Bunger Hearn ( moderate success ) have really made it.
Personally I like the way Varcoe played at Geelong but maybe they have a point.
They also mentioned that in the GF Norwood has several young players around 20 and under whilst Centrals had none in that category....probably the reason they held on to win.

Now, when they were confronted with some facts they change their tune (partly). initially they haven't been affected by the draft then when they realise they've had the second most draftees (reasonable amount), it becomes well most haven't really made it "quality players".
Hypothetically, if Lachlan Roach from North this year goes on to play 200 great AFL games and none of Norwood's draftees play, have North's 2011 premiership chances been impeded more than Norwood's? Of course not.
The number of players lost has a big impact.
If they are now claiming, Centrals haven't produced as many "quality" AFL players as some other clubs, I wouldn't debate that.
In 2000, 2001, when the Gowans were younger (for example) and with no Daniel Schell thus not skewing the age average, did we win because we had a young side or old side? If we lost this year would it be because we were too old too slow as opposed to not having enough young players? What about 2003,2004 etc? Did Norwood not make the grand final by winning games with those players? Wasn't it those players that produced the massive come back against the Eagles the week before?
What was Norwood's average age, did they actually investigate this? It's a stupid point, in my opinion, maybe Central would have won by more, if they had younger players, who knows. I would imagine, experience counts though.
What they also failed to mention is, Central have about 2000 less players (13-18 year olds) to draw from and hence also potentially get drafted than Sturt, Norwood, Glenelg and North.
Also, I didn't hear any of what they actually said, I'm only commenting on info. provided by those that did listen.

[fish]

I'd rather strut around bragging about winning nine of the last eleven flags than bragging about how many juniors we'd lost to the AFL!

[DOC]

I'd rather strut around bragging about winning nine of the last eleven flags than bragging about how many juniors we'd lost to the AFL!

Pretty hard to top!

[JK]

I'd rather strut around bragging about winning nine of the last eleven flags than bragging about how many juniors we'd lost to the AFL!

Exactly the point I was trying to make

[sjt]

Some might be surprised, but based on the 21 players that represented the CDFC in the Grand Final, the average age of the Dogs side was 24.238

(Based on DOB's listed in the 2010 CDFC Annual Report)

Not sure of the Redleg's average age but no doubt would be in the low 20's for sure...

BP I calculated the average age of both GF teams in a more simplistic way (less accurate), I just took away the year born from 2010 i.e I didn't consider the month born. I came up with CD average 25.6 (you got 24.23)
In fact, the Redlegs average was not in the low 20's, but by my methodology it was 24.5. So about a year difference.

SDK wrote
"They (5AA) also mentioned that in the GF Norwood has several young players around 20 and under whilst Centrals had none in that category....probably the reason they held on to win."
Well, they were partly right, Norwood had 3 twenty year olds -Georgiou, Fuller, Shenton. Terlich 21 and Jonas 19.
Wrong (no surprise) in stating Central had none. Gunston was 19 and Boyd 21 (with three 22 year olds).

Last night Wildy said, when responding to a caller re the "new league', the reason Central were winning was because "they don't play young players". In fact Central had nine players make their debut this year (not all were "young"), with five new premiership players.
Wildy also said the average age for Centrals is about 25, in this he was correct. I imagine with Schell and Buckets retiring this will now change.
Chris and James at 33 skew this average, the 2000 premiership side average age would be interesting, I wonder if it was below 24.5.

[nickname]

The only reason anyone would care if the average age of Centrals team was "a bit high", or they "didn't play young players" is if they thought of the SANFL as a feeder comp, like the TAC Cup. I wouldn't give a tinker's cuss if Westies' average player age was 50 if we won the flag.